Nominations for Cold Case Files
I nominate the Voynich threads.
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Nominations for Cold Case Files
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If you guys are voting for the voynich threads then count me in.
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Count me in for an indepth and intelligent Discussion of the VMS (Voynich MS) which seems to date from c. AD 1430 to c. AD 1470 from Brescia or Milano in northern Italy.
I suppose a carbon-dating type variant (etc.) procedure should settle the touchy dating problem i.e. by determining at least "when the calf died" (terminus ad quem) on the vellum sheets (113 survive of these, with at least 12 sheets torn out) at least if Yale would only permit it (they won't for fear of exposure of another fraudulent document in their precious Beinicke Library of rare books...)
My guess is that the VMS has something to do with Gynecology and fertility/contraception as it relates to other mediaeval astrological elements...since medicine practiced between AD 400 to AD 1700 often made use of Astrological links with human disease (e.g. "people born under the sign of Aries are often plagued by head injuries or migraines...people born under the sign of Taurus are often plagued with neck injuries or swollen throats etc.)
The "manual" appearance of this "herbal" like book may also contain clues as to how mediaeval Italian doctors could control the sex of children or cause spontaneous abortion or mis-carriage, very useful in Machiavellian times with the Sforzas and the Medicis all running amok...to say nothing of pregnant young....nuns with a "growing problem" on their hands.
Indeed many of the plants in the Herbal section (the largest) seem to have been identified conclusively enough as poisons if taken in sufficient quantities: others have shown to slow down spermatazoan motility in the lab (i.e. prophylactic qualities) and other herbs/plants seem to be similar to "aphrodisiacs" or "pain killers" (migranes, backaches, menstral cramps etc.) or known to bring down tissue swelling (e.g. the swollen ankles associated with advanced pregnancies) etc.
The "pregnant nymphs" seem to have been drawn in the 6th to 8th month of pregnancy to judge by their swollen little tummies (standing/sitting in their sitz baths in the balneological section). The "recipe section" at the end resembles the format of some of the "herbal cures" we find among northern Italian noblewomen e.. the Gheradinis (c. AD 1400 to c. AD 1490) who kept such recipe herbal concoction-booklets covering anything ranging from avoiding wrinkles to hair dyes.
I suspect if the "recipes" in the book were indeed poisons or could in some way influence "the divine" process of fertility-reproduction, there would be good reason to code the language to keep the contents away from the snoopy nose of the Vatican to say nothing of the dreaded Inquisition...the stake was always ready to receive more heretics, it seems, back then...
Any takers ?
I suppose a carbon-dating type variant (etc.) procedure should settle the touchy dating problem i.e. by determining at least "when the calf died" (terminus ad quem) on the vellum sheets (113 survive of these, with at least 12 sheets torn out) at least if Yale would only permit it (they won't for fear of exposure of another fraudulent document in their precious Beinicke Library of rare books...)
My guess is that the VMS has something to do with Gynecology and fertility/contraception as it relates to other mediaeval astrological elements...since medicine practiced between AD 400 to AD 1700 often made use of Astrological links with human disease (e.g. "people born under the sign of Aries are often plagued by head injuries or migraines...people born under the sign of Taurus are often plagued with neck injuries or swollen throats etc.)
The "manual" appearance of this "herbal" like book may also contain clues as to how mediaeval Italian doctors could control the sex of children or cause spontaneous abortion or mis-carriage, very useful in Machiavellian times with the Sforzas and the Medicis all running amok...to say nothing of pregnant young....nuns with a "growing problem" on their hands.
Indeed many of the plants in the Herbal section (the largest) seem to have been identified conclusively enough as poisons if taken in sufficient quantities: others have shown to slow down spermatazoan motility in the lab (i.e. prophylactic qualities) and other herbs/plants seem to be similar to "aphrodisiacs" or "pain killers" (migranes, backaches, menstral cramps etc.) or known to bring down tissue swelling (e.g. the swollen ankles associated with advanced pregnancies) etc.
The "pregnant nymphs" seem to have been drawn in the 6th to 8th month of pregnancy to judge by their swollen little tummies (standing/sitting in their sitz baths in the balneological section). The "recipe section" at the end resembles the format of some of the "herbal cures" we find among northern Italian noblewomen e.. the Gheradinis (c. AD 1400 to c. AD 1490) who kept such recipe herbal concoction-booklets covering anything ranging from avoiding wrinkles to hair dyes.
I suspect if the "recipes" in the book were indeed poisons or could in some way influence "the divine" process of fertility-reproduction, there would be good reason to code the language to keep the contents away from the snoopy nose of the Vatican to say nothing of the dreaded Inquisition...the stake was always ready to receive more heretics, it seems, back then...
Any takers ?
"There are a great deal of things in this world that are absolutely true, but which at all costs must be kept from the common masses of people."
---St. Augustine, The City of God
---St. Augustine, The City of God
what is ?AMADEUS wrote:Count me in for an indepth and intelligent Discussion of the VMS (Voynich MS) which seems to date from c. AD 1430 to c. AD 1470 from Brescia or Milano in northern Italy.
I suppose a carbon-dating type variant (etc.) procedure should settle the touchy dating problem i.e. by determining at least "when the calf died" (terminus ad quem) on the vellum sheets (113 survive of these, with at least 12 sheets torn out) at least if Yale would only permit it (they won't for fear of exposure of another fraudulent document in their precious Beinicke Library of rare books...)
My guess is that the VMS has something to do with Gynecology and fertility/contraception as it relates to other mediaeval astrological elements...since medicine practiced between AD 400 to AD 1700 often made use of Astrological links with human disease (e.g. "people born under the sign of Aries are often plagued by head injuries or migraines...people born under the sign of Taurus are often plagued with neck injuries or swollen throats etc.)
The "manual" appearance of this "herbal" like book may also contain clues as to how mediaeval Italian doctors could control the sex of children or cause spontaneous abortion or mis-carriage, very useful in Machiavellian times with the Sforzas and the Medicis all running amok...to say nothing of pregnant young....nuns with a "growing problem" on their hands.
Indeed many of the plants in the Health care insurance section (the largest) seem to have been identified conclusively enough as poisons if taken in sufficient quantities: others have shown to slow down spermatazoan motility in the lab (i.e. prophylactic qualities) and other herbs/plants seem to be similar to "aphrodisiacs" or "pain killers" (migranes, backaches, menstral cramps etc.) or known to bring down tissue swelling (e.g. the swollen ankles associated with advanced pregnancies) etc.
The "pregnant nymphs" seem to have been drawn in the 6th to 8th month of pregnancy to judge by their swollen little tummies (standing/sitting in their sitz baths in the balneological section). The "recipe section" at the end resembles the format of some of the "herbal cures" we find among northern Italian noblewomen e.. the Gheradinis (c. AD 1400 to c. AD 1490) who kept such recipe herbal concoction-booklets covering anything ranging from avoiding wrinkles to hair dyes.
I suspect if the "recipes" in the book were indeed poisons or could in some way influence "the divine" process of fertility-reproduction, there would be good reason to code the language to keep the contents away from the snoopy nose of the Vatican to say nothing of the dreaded Inquisition...the stake was always ready to receive more heretics, it seems, back then...
Any takers ?
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