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APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:05 am
by APOD Robot
The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant
Explanation: New
stars are
born from the
remnants of
dead stars. The gaseous remnant of the
gravitational collapse and subsequent death of a very
massive star in our
Milky Way created the
G296.5+10.0 supernova remnant, of which the
featured Mermaid Nebula is part. Also known as the
Betta Fish Nebula, the Mermaid Nebula makes up part of an unusual
subclass of supernova remnants that are
two-sided and nearly circular. Originally
discovered in
X-rays, the filamentary nebula is a frequently studied source also in
radio and
gamma-ray light. The blue color visible here originates from
doubly ionized oxygen (OIII), while the deep red is emitted by
hydrogen gas. The nebula's
mermaid-like shape has proven to be
useful for measurements of the
interstellar magnetic field.
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:19 am
by AVAO
The APOD is a great SNR image... even if it is mirrored
Most of the SNR can only be seen in the X-ray.
The supernova remnant G295.5+09.7 is estimated to be between 7,000 and 10,000 years old.
The distance of this remnant is somewhere between 4,000 and 13,000 light years from Earth.
It contains the pulsar PSR J1210-5226 (yellow circle).
jac berne (flickr) eROSITA, XXM-Newton and more
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:27 am
by Ann
Yes, I can see the mermaid!
APOD Robot wrote:
(T)he Mermaid Nebula makes up part of an unusual subclass of supernova remnants that are two-sided and nearly circular.
Like the Veil Nebula, you mean?
Both the Betta Fish Nebula and the Veil Nebula are blue-green from OIII emission and red from Hydrogen alpha. The difference is that the Betta Fish (and Mermaid Nabula) is almost all blue-green, whereas the Veil Nebula contains a lot of red Hα.
A tentative guess on my part is that the Betta Fish Nebula may be older, and the lightweight hydrogen may have dispersed before the oxygen did. Of course it's also possible that the supernova progenitor that created the Betta Fish and Mermaid Nebula was in itself pretty hydrogen-poor, more so than the progenitor that created the Veil Nebula.
And I must say that the eastern Veil Nebula is the only nebula in the sky that gives me the creeps! It's the Grinning Joker Nebula!
The Grinning Joker Nebula. Credit: Brian Ventrudo.
Oh shudder!!!
We need to call Batman and Robin!!
Ann
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:19 pm
by VictorBorun
AVAO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:19 am
The supernova remnant G295.5+09.7 is estimated to be between 7,000 and 10,000 years old.
The distance of this remnant is somewhere between 4,000 and 13,000 light years from Earth.
It contains the pulsar PSR J1210-5226 (yellow circle).
jac berne (flickr) eROSITA, XXM-Newton and more
If the distance's estimation is 4 to 13 kly and the age's estimation is 7 to 10 ky then the expansion's velocity is estimated
((4/10) to (13/7))*(angular size in radians)*(the speed of light)
angular diameter is about 45 arc seconds = 0.0002 radians
(the estimated expansion's velocity) = (0.00008 to 0.00037)*c = 24 to 111 km/s
How come?
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:25 pm
by Chris Peterson
VictorBorun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:19 pm
AVAO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:19 am
The supernova remnant G295.5+09.7 is estimated to be between 7,000 and 10,000 years old.
The distance of this remnant is somewhere between 4,000 and 13,000 light years from Earth.
It contains the pulsar PSR J1210-5226 (yellow circle).
jac berne (flickr) eROSITA, XXM-Newton and more
If the distance's estimation is 4 to 13 kly and the age's estimation is 7 to 10 ky then the expansion's velocity is estimated
((4/10) to (13/7))*(angular size in radians)*(the speed of light)
How come?
What does the speed of light have to do with this? Its expansion rate is just its size (determined by angular size and distance) divided by its age.
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:32 pm
by VictorBorun
Chris Peterson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:25 pm
VictorBorun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:19 pm
AVAO wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:19 am
The supernova remnant G295.5+09.7 is estimated to be between 7,000 and 10,000 years old.
The distance of this remnant is somewhere between 4,000 and 13,000 light years from Earth.
It contains the pulsar PSR J1210-5226 (yellow circle).
jac berne (flickr) eROSITA, XXM-Newton and more
If the distance's estimation is 4 to 13 kly and the age's estimation is 7 to 10 ky then the expansion's velocity is estimated
((4/10) to (13/7))*(angular size in radians)*(the speed of light)
How come?
What does the speed of light have to do with this? Its expansion rate is just its size (determined by angular size and distance) divided by its age.
I mean why the range is so wide? can the shock front be so slow?
As for the speed of light I just used kilo light years of distance and kilo years of age which made me use c factor
then again
angular diameter is about 45 arc seconds = 0.0002 radians
(the estimated expansion's velocity) = (0.00008 to 0.00037)*c = 24 to 111 km/s
I think at as slow mean speed as 24 km/s and probably just 10 km/s currently the shock wave still totally ionizes its oxygen and all
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:25 pm
by Chris Peterson
VictorBorun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:32 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:25 pm
VictorBorun wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:19 pm
If the distance's estimation is 4 to 13 kly and the age's estimation is 7 to 10 ky then the expansion's velocity is estimated
((4/10) to (13/7))*(angular size in radians)*(the speed of light)
How come?
What does the speed of light have to do with this? Its expansion rate is just its size (determined by angular size and distance) divided by its age.
I mean why the range is so wide? can the shock front be so slow?
As for the speed of light I just used kilo light years of distance and kilo years of age which made me use c factor
then again
angular diameter is about 45 arc seconds = 0.0002 radians
(the estimated expansion's velocity) = (0.00008 to 0.00037)*c = 24 to 111 km/s
I think at as slow mean speed as 24 km/s and probably just 10 km/s currently the shock wave still totally ionizes its oxygen and all
I think it's very difficult to confidently assess the distance of an object like this. A
very recent paper (see the discussion in section 4) estimates a distance of 1.4 kpc and an age of 14 kyr.
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:09 am
by VictorBorun
the link won't open
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:34 am
by johnnydeep
VictorBorun wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:09 am
the link won't open
Try this one:
https://inspirehep.net/literature/2765684 (I googled for the pdf from Chris' link, which was "stad3921.pdf")
Re: APOD: The Mermaid Nebula Supernova Remnant (2024 Sep 18)
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2024 5:16 pm
by VictorBorun
thanks!