Explanation: Is this giant orange ball about to roll down that tree-lined hill? No, because the giant orange ball is actually the Sun. Our Solar System's central star was captured rising beyond a hill on Earth twelve days ago complete with a delightfully detailed foreground. The Sun's disk showed five sunspots, quite a lot considering that during the solar minimum in solar activity of the past few years, most days showed no spots. A close look at the hill -- Sierra del Cid in Perter, Spain -- reveals not only silhouetted pine trees, but silhouetted people -- by coincidence three brothers of the photographer. The trees and brothers were about 3.5-kilometers away during the morning of the well-planned, single-exposure image. A dark filter muted the usually brilliant Sun and brought up great detail on the lower sunspots. Within a few minutes, the Sun rose far above the hill, while within a week, the sunspots rotated around the Sun, out of view. The captured scene, however, is now frozen in time for all to enjoy.
Looks like it picked up a bit of grit on the way down. Awesome shot!
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:27 pm
by orin stepanek
I can see more than 5 sun spots; but the others are very small! What
a beautiful photo; with the people and the wonderful silhouetted
trees!
Kudos to the photographer!
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Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:51 pm
by johnnydeep
daddyo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 am
Looks like it picked up a bit of grit on the way down. Awesome shot!
Or on the way up - the sun is rising.
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:54 pm
by johnnydeep
orin stepanek wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:27 pm
SunSpotHill_Coy_2358.jpg
I can see more than 5 sun spots; but the others are very small! What
a beautiful photo; with the people and the wonderful silhouetted
trees!
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Seemingly, they're counted in groups. See the "five sunspots" link.
orin stepanek wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:27 pm
SunSpotHill_Coy_2358.jpg
I can see more than 5 sun spots; but the others are very small! What
a beautiful photo; with the people and the wonderful silhouetted
trees!
...
Seemingly, they're counted in groups. See the "five sunspots" link.
orin stepanek wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:27 pm
SunSpotHill_Coy_2358.jpg
I can see more than 5 sun spots; but the others are very small! What
a beautiful photo; with the people and the wonderful silhouetted
trees!
...
Seemingly, they're counted in groups. See the "five sunspots" link.
Maybe; but I count them individually! :mrgreen:
In general, a sunspot group is multiple sunspots that are the product of the same magnetic flux zone. Usually that's fairly obvious, but when the Sun is active you can get independent sunspots that are very close together, and absent a separate measurement of magnetic fields, might not be able to tell if they are or are not members of the same group.
Seemingly, they're counted in groups. See the "five sunspots" link.
Maybe; but I count them individually!
In general, a sunspot group is multiple sunspots that are the product of the same magnetic flux zone. Usually that's fairly obvious, but when the Sun is active you can get independent sunspots that are very close together, and absent a separate measurement of magnetic fields, might not be able to tell if they are or are not members of the same group.
OK; I think I can understand That! Thanks Chris!
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:34 pm
by muehlner@gmail.com
This is the first photo I've seen in which the sun is between the viewer and a cloud!
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:51 pm
by johnnydeep
muehlner@gmail.com wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:34 pm
This is the first photo I've seen in which the sun is between the viewer and a cloud!
Hmm, now that you mention it, just what IS that white wispy stuff to the right of the Sun, and seemingly behind it?! Or is my eye simply deceiving me yet again?
muehlner@gmail.com wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:34 pm
This is the first photo I've seen in which the sun is between the viewer and a cloud!
Hmm, now that you mention it, just what IS that white wispy stuff to the right of the Sun, and seemingly behind it?! Or is my eye simply deceiving me yet again?
Morning ground fog in the process of being blown off the hill top when the photo was taken
muehlner@gmail.com wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:34 pm
This is the first photo I've seen in which the sun is between the viewer and a cloud!
Hmm, now that you mention it, just what IS that white wispy stuff to the right of the Sun, and seemingly behind it?! Or is my eye simply deceiving me yet again?
Morning ground fog in the process of being blown off the hill top when the photo was taken
So it just happens to exactly match up with the edge of the disk of the Sun and not overlap it at all nor leave any space between? It almost looks like cotton batting and the Sun is resting on it!
Hmm, now that you mention it, just what IS that white wispy stuff to the right of the Sun, and seemingly behind it?! Or is my eye simply deceiving me yet again?
Morning ground fog in the process of being blown off the hill top when the photo was taken :?:
So it just happens to exactly match up with the edge of the disk of the Sun and not overlap it at all nor leave any space between? It almost looks like cotton batting and the Sun is resting on it!
I'd suggest that we simply can't see the mist in front of the Sun. It's too thin and the Sun is too bright.
johnnydeep wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:51 pm
Hmm, now that you mention it, just what IS that white wispy stuff to the right of the Sun, and seemingly behind it?! Or is my eye simply deceiving me yet again?
Morning ground fog in the process of being blown off the hill top when the photo was taken
So it just happens to exactly match up with the edge of the disk of the Sun and not overlap it at all nor leave any space between? It almost looks like cotton batting and the Sun is resting on it!
neufer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:34 am
Morning ground fog in the process of being blown off the hill top when the photo was taken
So it just happens to exactly match up with the edge of the disk of the Sun and not overlap it at all nor leave any space between? It almost looks like cotton batting and the Sun is resting on it!
I'd suggest that we simply can't see the mist in front of the Sun. It's too thin and the Sun is too bright.
I guess that'll works. And the lower limb of the Sun is actually a little darker on the left, suggesting something is obscuring it.
neufer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:34 am
Morning ground fog in the process of being blown off the hill top when the photo was taken
So it just happens to exactly match up with the edge of the disk of the Sun and not overlap it at all nor leave any space between? It almost looks like cotton batting and the Sun is resting on it!
Could you please retract this fake, or at least edit the description? Or could anyone explain why the image contains a solar disk under the horizon? Thank you. Printscreen from the APOD main page, adjusted the gamma.
varadinagypal wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:39 pm
Could you please retract this fake, or at least edit the description? Or could anyone explain why the image contains a solar disk under the horizon? Thank you. Printscreen from the APOD main page, adjusted the gamma.
Hmm. That's certainly interesting! I confirmed what you've found (using color adjustment in GIMP), but I'm not enough of an image processing expert to know what it means: does it really indicate some actual hidden - by (not necessarily nefarious!) image processing effect - sun surface behind the hill, or is something else going on? Here's my pic:
Gamma adjustment reveals hidden solar surface behind hill?
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:25 pm
by varadinagypal
Fellow amateur astronomer, Gábor HŐDÖR spent some more time with this ... work of art.
@APOD please think this through.
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:07 pm
by varadinagypal
Also, if you check out the little people and the tree, the light is coming from the left. ffs
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:41 pm
by varadinagypal
Is there a more official way to report fakes?
Re: APOD: Sun Spot Hill (2021 Sep 21)
Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:54 pm
by johnnydeep
varadinagypal wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:41 pm
Is there a more official way to report fakes?
Well, someone at APOD chose this picture and wrote the text, so contacting them might get a response. There are two possibilities:
As for why none of the other regulars are responding to your concern, I can't say. But I am at least still interested in what others have to say.
Well, the original photographer lectured me on facebook, right under the EPOD photo where we (mostly Hungarians*) tore his >>work of art<< apart. I wrote to the EPOD page owners, as they have published my work in 2013, so I believe they may trust my words as much to at least look into the issue as seriously as I pointed it out. There is no such trust built up with APOD, on the contrary, I often criticize because APOD goes, in my opinion, too much for eye candies and cuties, in detriment of astro-value, as, quite ironically, this APOD issue also demonstrates.
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*I think the Hungarian astrophoto community can be viewed as a school, in the academic/artistic sense, but that is off topic here.
Sun Spot Hill
