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neufer
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by neufer » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:44 am
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By my calculations a full Charon moon would be about magnitude -10
(i.e., about 10 times dimmer than our full moon)
but 7.5 wider than our full moon.
Would (large eyed) Plutonians who live on the hemisphere
that always faces Charon worship Charon as their primary god?
![Arrow :arrow:](./images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif)
See the face of his/her holiness Charon.
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by Ann » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:00 am
Pluto’s Blue Sky: Pluto’s haze layer shows its blue color in this picture taken by
the New Horizons Ralph/Multispectral Visible Imaging Camera (MVIC).
The high-altitude haze is thought to be similar in nature to that seen at Saturn’s
moon Titan. The source of both hazes likely involves sunlight-initiated
chemical reactions of nitrogen and methane, leading to relatively small, soot-like
particles (called tholins) that grow as they settle toward the surface. This
image was generated by software that combines information from blue,
red and near-infrared images to replicate the color a human eye would perceive
as closely as possible.Credits: NASA/JHUAPL/SwRI
A Plutonian landscape with a striated sky.
NASA, Johns Hopkins Univ./APL, Southwest Research Institute
As a Color Commentator and lover of all things blue, I was of course disappointed that today's APOD doesn't show the true blue color of Pluto's atmosphere. Admittedly even I have to admit that the layered nature of Pluto's atmosphere is best seen in black and white.
NASA wrote:
New Horizons Finds Blue Skies and Water Ice on Pluto
The first color images of Pluto’s atmospheric hazes, returned by NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft last week, reveal that the hazes are blue.
“Who would have expected a blue sky in the Kuiper Belt? It’s gorgeous,” said Alan Stern, New Horizons principal investigator from Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), Boulder, Colorado.
The haze particles themselves are likely gray or red, but the way they scatter blue light has gotten the attention of the New Horizons science team. “That striking blue tint tells us about the size and composition of the haze particles,” said science team researcher Carly Howett, also of SwRI. “A blue sky often results from scattering of sunlight by very small particles. On Earth, those particles are very tiny nitrogen molecules. On Pluto they appear to be larger — but still relatively small — soot-like particles we call tholins.”...
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by Ann » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:09 am
neufer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:44 am
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By my calculations a full Charon moon would be about magnitude -10
(i.e., about 10 times dimmer than our full moon)
but 7.5 wider than our full moon.
Would (large eyed) Plutonians who live on the hemisphere
that always faces Charon worship Charon as their primary god?
![Arrow :arrow:](./images/smilies/icon_arrow.gif)
See the face of his/her holiness Charon.
Charon, the ferryman of Hades. Note that he is wearing red.
Painting: Alexander Litovchenko
Well, Charon is already a god, sort of...
Wikipedia wrote:
In Greek mythology, Charon or Kharon (/ˈkɛərɒn, -ən/; Greek Χάρων) is the ferryman of Hades who carries souls of the newly deceased across the rivers Styx and Acheron that divided the world of the living from the world of the dead.
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by JohnD » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:18 am
As the disc of Pluto is almost entirely in night, the only value of this picture is in the image of the atmosphere. As I knew nothing, I followd the link to "complex layers" and found at least a Wiki page on Atmospheric Escape:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape which is more educational than the paper that the link leads to, for an ignoramus.
What's the significance of all the organics in the Plutonian atmosphere? We get excited by seeing methane on Mars.
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by orin stepanek » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:41 am
Amazing lil' planet!
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by Ann » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:53 pm
Yeah. I'll take the Earth over Pluto any day.
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by orin stepanek » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:28 pm
Mickey likes Pluto!
M I C K E Y M O U S E!
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by TheOtherBruce » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:22 pm
JohnD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:18 am
What's the significance of all the organics in the Plutonian atmosphere? We get excited by seeing methane on Mars.
They're probably
Tholins, (mostly) hydrocarbon compounds created from simpler surface and atmospheric chemicals due to UV from the sun and cosmic radiation from everywhere else. It's a very slow reaction, but it's had a very, very long time to work — conditions aren't right in the inner solar system, but way out on the fringes tholins seem to be just about everywhere. IIRC one of the large Kuiper Belt Objects found in recent years is one of the reddest solid objects known; it wouldn't surprise me to find out it's even more covered in tholins than Pluto. And don't forget the colour pictures sent back from New Horizons of the KBO Ultima Thule; it's very red as well.
Note the mentions in the link above to the
Miller-Urey experiment — "tholin" isn't a specific chemical, it's a random mix of organic chemical lego bricks, which has a dark red colour when it's made in the laboratory.
This universe shipped by weight, not by volume.
Some expansion of the contents may have occurred during shipment.
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by neufer » Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:09 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tholin wrote:
<<The term "
tholin" was coined by astronomer Carl Sagan and his colleague Bishun Khare to describe the difficult-to-characterize substances they obtained in his Miller-Urey-type experiments on the methane-containing gas mixtures such as those found in Titan's atmosphere:
- For the past decade we have been producing in our laboratory a variety of complex organic solids from mixtures of the cosmically abundant gases CH4, C2H6, NH3, H2O, HCHO, and H2S. The product, synthesized by ultraviolet (UV) light or spark discharge, is a brown, sometimes sticky, residue, which has been called, because of its resistance to conventional analytical chemistry, "intractable polymer". We propose, as a model-free descriptive term, ‘tholins’ (Gk ϴὸλος, muddy; but also ϴoλòς, vault or dome), although we were tempted by the phrase ‘star-tar’.
Tholins do not form naturally on modern-day Earth, but they are found in great abundance on the surfaces of icy bodies in the outer Solar System, and as reddish aerosols in the atmosphere of outer Solar System planets and moons.
In the presence of water, tholins can be raw materials for prebiotic chemistry, i.e. the non-living chemistry that forms the basic chemicals which form life.>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well wrote:
<<Muddying the waters (or poisoning the well) is a type of informal fallacy where irrelevant adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing something that the target person is about to say. It can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem:
- 1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented by another.
(e.g. "Before you listen to my opponent, may I remind you that he has been in jail")
2. Therefore, the claims made by person A will be false.>>
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