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Ann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:16 am Are the poles of Jupiter really bluish, or is that just an "illustration effect"?

Nitpicker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:36 am

Ann wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:16 am
Are the poles of Jupiter really bluish, or is that just an "illustration effect"?

I would guess they really are "bluish". All the other polar images in colour from Juno have shown much the same. There's never much light at the poles though, due to Jupiter having almost no axial tilt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsGW2JZrMnY wrote:
<<In natural colors, Jupiter looks pretty pale. Therefore, the still images are approximately illumination-adusted, i.e. almost flattened, and consecutively gamma-stretched to the 4th power of radiometric values, in order to enhance contrast and color.>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Planets wrote:
<<The Planets, Op. 32, is a seven-movement orchestral suite by the English composer Gustav Holst, written between 1914 and 1916. Each movement of the suite is named after a planet of the Solar System and its corresponding astrological character as defined by Holst. The concept of the work is astrological rather than astronomical (which is why Earth is not included, although Sun and Moon are also not included while including the non-traditional Uranus and Neptune): each movement is intended to convey ideas and emotions associated with the influence of the planets on the psyche, not the Roman deities. The idea of the work was suggested to Holst by Clifford Bax, who introduced him to astrology when the two were part of a small group of English artists holidaying in Majorca in the spring of 1913; Holst became quite a devotee of the subject, and would cast his friends' horoscopes for fun. Holst also used Alan Leo's book What is a Horoscope? as a springboard for his own ideas, as well as for the subtitles (e.g., "The Bringer of...") for the movements.

Gustav Holst (21 Sept. 1874 – 25 May 1934)

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The suite has seven movements, each named after a planet and its corresponding astrological character:

• Mars, the Bringer of War (1914)
  Venus, the Bringer of Peace (1914)
  Mercury, the Winged Messenger (1916)
  Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity (1914)
  Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age (1915)
  Uranus, the Magician (1915)
  Neptune, the Mystic (1915)

A typical performance of all seven movements is about fifty minutes long, though Holst's own electric recording from 1926 is just over forty-two and a half minutes. (Because of the time constraints of the 78rpm format, the tempo is often much faster than is usually the case today.)

The orchestral premiere of The Planets suite, conducted at Holst's request by Adrian Boult, was held at short notice on 29 September 1918, during the last weeks of World War I, in the Queen's Hall. It was hastily rehearsed; the musicians of the Queen's Hall Orchestra first saw the complicated music only two hours before the performance, and the choir for Neptune was recruited from pupils from St Paul's Girls' School (where Holst taught). Neptune was one of the first pieces of orchestral music to have a fade-out ending. Holst stipulates that the women's choruses are "to be placed in an adjoining room, the door of which is to be left open until the last bar of the piece, when it is to be slowly and silently closed", and that the final bar (scored for choruses alone) is "to be repeated until the sound is lost in the distance". Holst's daughter Imogen (in addition to watching the charwomen dancing in the aisles during Jupiter) remarked that the ending was "unforgettable, with its hidden chorus of women's voices growing fainter and fainter... until the imagination knew no difference between sound and silence".

A public concert was given in London under the auspices of the Royal Philharmonic Society on 27 February 1919, conducted by Boult. Five of the seven movements were played in the order Mars, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus, and Jupiter. It was Boult's decision not to play all seven movements at this concert. He felt that when the public were being given a totally new language like that, "half an hour of it was as much as they could take in". His daughter Imogen recalled, "He hated incomplete performances of The Planets, though on several occasions he had to agree to conduct three or four movements at Queen's Hall concerts." Holst particularly disliked having to finish with Jupiter, to make a 'happy ending', for, as he himself said, 'in the real world the end is not happy at all'.>>

NHcycler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:10 pm
Wow! Holst knew even then that there were no more planets!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Planets#Pluto wrote:

Click to play embedded YouTube video.

<<Pluto was discovered in 1930, four years before Holst's death, and was hailed by astronomers as the ninth planet. Holst, however, expressed no interest in writing a movement for the new planet. He had become disillusioned by the popularity of the suite, believing that it took too much attention away from his other works.

In the final broadcast of his Young People's Concerts series in March, 1972, the conductor Leonard Bernstein led the New York Philharmonic through a fairly straight interpretation of the suite, though he discarded the Saturn movement because he thought the theme of old age was irrelevant to a concert for children. The broadcast concluded with an improvised performance he called "Pluto, the Unpredictable". In 2000, the Hallé Orchestra commissioned the English composer Colin Matthews, an authority on Holst, to write a new eighth movement, which he called "Pluto, the Renewer". Dedicated to the late Imogen Holst, Gustav Holst's daughter, it was first performed in Manchester on 11 May 2000, with Kent Nagano conducting the Hallé Orchestra. Matthews also changed the ending of Neptune slightly so that movement would lead directly into Pluto. Matthews himself has stated his suspicion that, the dedication notwithstanding, Imogen Holst "would have been both amused and dismayed by the venture.">>

many of which are larger than hurricanes on Earth.

Nitpicker wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:25 am Neufer, I think the true colour image you've shown was a map constructed from Cassini data, not Juno. The poles were only observed by Cassini at an acute angle, which makes a big difference. The Cassini map shows the whole southern hemisphere, whilst your comparison image from Juno shows much less of it.

I'm not suggesting that the poles really look quite as blue as the enhanced colour images, but given that they purport to be enhanced and not false colour images, it seems reasonable to assume the poles are somewhat bluish in reality.

orin stepanek wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:58 pm

many of which are larger than hurricanes on Earth.

I would think that many are larger than Earth?

• If you're NOT The Great Red Spot
  then you are probably smaller than the Earth.

NHcycler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:27 pm Thanks, neufer!

I didn't even think to look up Pluto vis-a-vis Holst because of his never having composed a Pluto overture. Learn something new every day, especially here!

Chris Peterson wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:50 pm

NHcycler wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:27 pm
I didn't even think to look up Pluto vis-a-vis Holst because of his never having composed a Pluto overture. Learn something new every day, especially here!

Also, The Planets is based around astrological themes, not astronomical. And even though neither Uranus nor Neptune are found in classical astrology, they had been adopted by modern astrologers by the time Holst wrote his piece in the early 20th century. Not so Pluto at the time of Holst's death.

neufer wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:51 pm

Approximate size comparison of Earth and the Great Red Spot.

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orin stepanek wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:58 pm

many of which are larger than hurricanes on Earth.

I would think that many are larger than Earth?

• If you're NOT The Great Red Spot
  then you are probably smaller than the Earth.

geckzilla wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:05 pm There are definitely clouds that are relatively bluer. Juno color images always look a bit odd after the contrast is tweaked way up, though. Seán Doran sometimes posts "true" and "enhanced" versions.
https://twitter.com/_TheSeaning/status/ ... 5844035584

seedsofearth wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:52 am What always bothers me about these stitched together images is they show no cloud movement whatsoever.

Skeptical Observer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:07 pm why can't we see the storms moving on these flybys?
it always seems to me that they wrapped a sphere with a texture in 3ds max and had a camera fly past.....does not seem real to me at all.....