Starship Asterisk*

distefanom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 am Trying to "read" what this image shows to my eyes, I can see the "lightsaber" that can be explained by the in falling matter into the protostar.
Also the funnel-shaped "cloud" of dust that "rains" into the obscured dust, seems reasonable.
I cannot explain, instead the other *big* tube like structure we can see in the lower left part of the image. it seems to me, that comes out from "behind" the protostar forming cloud.
This "tube" seems, instead a ionized gas "trapped" inside some magnetic field... this tube seems not to come out from the protostar... it's a thing that has another origin, not related to the protostar...
Also I cannot explain the bright "plotches" can be seen just above protostar: what are they?
Anybody noticed the "swirl" of gas just above the right part of the "saber"? What is it? another protostar?
Cannot even realize the distances...

richardschumacher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:46 am "Dual", not "Duel".

George wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:18 am The description explains the two orange beams, as pointing along rotation axis.
But what causes the bluish beam, pointing to the lower left?

geckzilla wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:28 am

distefanom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 am
I cannot explain, instead the other *big* tube like structure we can see in the lower left part of the image. it seems to me, that comes out from "behind" the protostar forming cloud. This "tube" seems, instead a ionized gas "trapped" inside some magnetic field... this tube seems not to come out from the protostar... it's a thing that has another origin, not related to the protostar... Also I cannot explain the bright "plotches" can be seen just above protostar: what are they? Anybody noticed the "swirl" of gas just above the right part of the "saber"? What is it? another protostar?

The tubes and holes in the clouds are largely punched open by newly forming stars.
The jets are not all necessarily as active at the same time as the main "lightsabre" jets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbig%E2%80%93Haro_object wrote: .
<<Herbig–Haro (HH) objects are small patches of nebulosity associated with newly born stars, and are formed when narrow jets of partially ionized gas ejected by those stars collide with nearby clouds of gas and dust at speeds of several hundred kilometres per second. Herbig–Haro objects are ubiquitous in star-forming regions, and several are often seen around a single star, aligned with its rotational axis. Near to the source star, about 20–30% of the gas in HH objects is ionized, but this proportion decreases at increasing distances. This implies the material is ionized in the polar jet, and recombines as it moves away from the star, rather than being ionized by later collisions. Shocking at the end of the jet can re-ionize some material, however, giving rise to bright "caps" at the ends of the jets.

HH objects are transient phenomena that last less than a few thousand years. They can evolve visibly over quite short astronomical timescales as they move rapidly away from their parent star into the gas clouds of interstellar space (the interstellar medium or ISM). Hubble Space Telescope observations have revealed the complex evolution of HH objects over the period of a few years, as parts of the nebula fade while others brighten as they collide with clumpy material of the interstellar medium.

The temperatures observed in HH objects are typically about 8000–12,000K, similar to those found in other ionized nebulae such as H II regions and planetary nebulae. Densities, on the other hand, are relatively higher; ranging from a few thousand to a few tens of thousands of particles per cm³, compared to generally less than 1000/cm³ in H II regions and planetary nebulae. Densities also decrease as the source evolves over time. HH objects consist mostly of hydrogen and helium, which account for about 75% and 24% respectively of their mass. Around 1% of the mass of HH objects is made up of heavier chemical elements, including oxygen, sulfur, nitrogen, iron, calcium and magnesium. Abundances of these elements, determined from emission lines of respective ions, are generally similar to their cosmic abundances. Several chemical compounds have been identified in the outflows, including water (ice), methanol, methane, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide (dry ice) and various silicates. Many chemical compounds found in surrounding interstellar medium, which are not present in the source material, such as metal hydrides, are believed to have been produced by shock induced chemical reactions.>>

Zuben L. Genubi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:26 pm
I'm not imagining the curvature over the length of these two particle beams. What might cause that? An artifact of the observation platform? Gravitational influences?

distefanom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:38 am Trying to "read" what this image shows to my eyes, I can see the "lightsaber" that can be explained by the in falling matter into the protostar.
Also the funnel-shaped "cloud" of dust that "rains" into the obscured dust, seems reasonable.
I cannot explain, instead the other *big* tube like structure we can see in the lower left part of the image. it seems to me, that comes out from "behind" the protostar forming cloud.
This "tube" seems, instead a ionized gas "trapped" inside some magnetic field... this tube seems not to come out from the protostar... it's a thing that has another origin, not related to the protostar...
Also I cannot explain the bright "plotches" can be seen just above protostar: what are they?
Anybody noticed the "swirl" of gas just above the right part of the "saber"? What is it? another protostar?
Cannot even realize the distances...

As is, it may be more akin to the Liquid Rope-Coil Effect
(; with polar magnetic field lines substituting for viscosity).

Zuben L. Genubi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:48 am
Neufer wrote from Tralfamadore

As is, it may be more akin to the Liquid Rope-Coil Effect
(; with polar magnetic field lines substituting for viscosity).

Interesting thought. Is this a documented cosmic phenomenon,
or are you speculating that an analogous roping process in HH objects?

neufer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 am
I have it on the best authority in Tralfamadore.

Billy Boy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:41 pm

neufer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:31 am
I have it on the best authority in Tralfamadore.

And here I've always thought the only thing Tralfamadoreans were interested in was human romance and reproduction. I'm afraid though that alien credibility is suspect in these times of restricted immigration and border walls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tralfamadore wrote:
<<"[Tralfamadorians] are two feet high, and green, and shaped like plumber's friends. Their suction cups were on the ground, and their shafts, which were extremely flexible, usually pointed to the sky. At the top of each shaft was a little hand with a green eye in its palm. The creatures are friendly, and they could see in four dimensions. They had many wonderful things to teach Earthlings about time."

Details on the Tralfamadorian inhabitants of Tralfamadore vary from novel to novel:

In Hocus Pocus, Tralfamadore is the planet nearest to a meeting place of ancient multi-dimensional beings who supposedly control all aspects of human life, including social affairs and politics. Unlike humans, the Tralfamadorians have too much of a sense of humor to be affected by the beings. The exploits of the multi-dimensional beings are chronicled in The Protocols of the Elders of Tralfamadore, which is published serially in a pornographic magazine called Black Garterbelt.>>