Mars and Comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring)
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Mars and Comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring)
No Meteor Storm on Mars from C/2013 A1
Models tested last year indicated a high chance of a major meteoroid debris stream intersecting Mars this October due to Comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring). Jérémie Vaubaillon reported last week at the IMC conference in Giron, France, that there will be no chance of this. The original model was based on an estimated nucleus size of 50 km, which was determined from the high brightness of the comet at a large distance. However, that brightness is now explained by a small nucleus (less than 1 km) which had a large coma caused by low surface gravity and low ejection rates. Those low ejection rates mean that that Mars will not be inside the debris field when the comet passes by in October.
That's good news for the martian spacecraft operators. Still, some of them should have a good view of the comet when it's close to Mars.
Models tested last year indicated a high chance of a major meteoroid debris stream intersecting Mars this October due to Comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring). Jérémie Vaubaillon reported last week at the IMC conference in Giron, France, that there will be no chance of this. The original model was based on an estimated nucleus size of 50 km, which was determined from the high brightness of the comet at a large distance. However, that brightness is now explained by a small nucleus (less than 1 km) which had a large coma caused by low surface gravity and low ejection rates. Those low ejection rates mean that that Mars will not be inside the debris field when the comet passes by in October.
That's good news for the martian spacecraft operators. Still, some of them should have a good view of the comet when it's close to Mars.
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Re: No Meteor Storm on Mars from C/2013 A1
Well, that's good to know. I am curious to see if misinformation wins over information around the 'net because meteor storms are exciting.
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CIOC update on C/2013 A1 Siding Spring
I came across Karl Battams' blog posts via the Planetary Society. This update on C/2013 A1 Siding Spring is good: indeed, the whole website (http://www.cometcampaign.org/ ) is excellent, even for those of us who aren't comet experts.
Here is an excerpt:
Here is an excerpt:
Margaritahttp://www.cometcampaign.org/karl/exciting-times
Mon, 10/06/2014 - 08:37 — Karl Battams
We're now less than two weeks away from Comet Siding Spring buzzing ridiculously close to Mars, and the excitement is building - in both good and bad ways...
Of course we're all tremendously thrilled at the prospect of the comet flying so close to so many wonderful spacecraft at Mars. ... pretty much the entire Martian fleet of spacecraft and rovers are going to be attempting to take observations of the comet.
... All of the comet nuclei we've observed so far have been periodic comets - objects that stay relatively close to our solar system and swing predictably past the Sun every few or few dozen years. They've been doing this for centuries or millennia, which means their surface has undergone substantial changes since their formation a few billion years ago.
Comet Siding Spring is different - it's an Oort Cloud comet, dynamically new, and on its first ever foray into our solar system. This means it is largely pristine and will likely not have undergone any major changes since it formed. We've never seen one of these comets up close. Never. We don't know exactly what to expect.
... the bottom line is that we are more-or-less clueless right now on what it will do over the next couple of weeks. It could dramatically brighten, it could stay the same, it could fade rapidly, or it could even completely fall apart!
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NASA Science Fleet Prepares for Mars Comet
MargaritaNASA Science Fleet Prepares for Mars Comet
Oct. 9, 2014: NASA’s extensive fleet of science assets, particularly those orbiting and roving Mars, have front row seats to image and study a once-in-a-lifetime comet flyby on Sunday, Oct. 19.
Comet C/2013 A1, also known as comet Siding Spring, will pass within about 87,000 miles (139,500 kilometers) of the Red Planet -- less than half the distance between Earth and our moon and less than one-tenth the distance of any known comet flyby of Earth.
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Images and updates will be posted online before and after the comet flyby. Several pre-flyby images of Siding Spring, as well as information about the comet and NASA’s planned observations of the event, are available online at http://mars.nasa.gov/comets/sidingspring
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Planetary Society video about Comet Siding Spring
Dr Bruce Betts of the Planetary Society presents a succinct five-minute video:
MargaritaComet Siding Spring Approaches MarsClick to play embedded YouTube video.
The Planetary Society
Published on 13 Oct 2014
On October 19, 2014, Comet Siding Spring will fly very close to Mars. Here’s an introduction from The Planetary Society (http://planetary.org) to get you up to speed on this planetary near miss, and some suggestions on how to find out more now, during, and after the encounter.
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Comet Campaign: today is Mars flyby date
Karl Battams wrote on October 18, 2014
...As I write, we're only just over 24-hours away from the comet's gassy coma engulfing Mars as the comet roars past the Red Planet at 56km/s (126,000mph). Does this brightness drop jeopardize all of the Mars-based observations we've been hearing about? Is the comet still even active? Could it fall apart? Would it change the situation and threaten Mars if it did fall apart now? They're good questions that I've been asked in recent days in media interviews and via email and Twitter. So again, just like I did last year with ISON, let me try and calm a few of these last minute nerves, and be explicit on what we do and don't know.
read more at: http://www.cometcampaign.org/karl/drawing-parallels
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Siding Spring has left the building... err, passed Mars
ESA have a Google hangout about Mars Express and Comet Siding Spring, it's live as of the time of posting this note.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z1iyxouD38g
Later edit: the complete hangout of about an hour is now at that link. As some commentators note there, it is NOT a sleek PR production! But I really enjoyed "being" in the actual control room at ESOC, with engineers and tech staff coming across from where they were working to talk to the host. Who sounded Canadian!
And Comet Campaign have some wonderful photos from the last few days. Not the Mars ones yet, of course.
http://www.cometcampaign.org/karl/close-encounters
Later edit: for one of these photos, see the Apod for 20 October 2014.http://asterisk.apod.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33993 ]
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=z1iyxouD38g
Later edit: the complete hangout of about an hour is now at that link. As some commentators note there, it is NOT a sleek PR production! But I really enjoyed "being" in the actual control room at ESOC, with engineers and tech staff coming across from where they were working to talk to the host. Who sounded Canadian!
And Comet Campaign have some wonderful photos from the last few days. Not the Mars ones yet, of course.
http://www.cometcampaign.org/karl/close-encounters
Later edit: for one of these photos, see the Apod for 20 October 2014.http://asterisk.apod.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=33993 ]
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All Three NASA Mars Orbiters Healthy After Comet Flyby
All Three NASA Mars Orbiters Healthy After Comet Flyby
NASA Solar System Exploration | 2014 Oct 19
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Studies Comet Flyby
MAVEN Studies Passing Comet and Its Effects
Mars Odyssey Orbiter Watches Comet Fly Near
NASA | JPL-Caltech | 2014 Oct 19
NASA Solar System Exploration | 2014 Oct 19
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Studies Comet Flyby
MAVEN Studies Passing Comet and Its Effects
Mars Odyssey Orbiter Watches Comet Fly Near
NASA | JPL-Caltech | 2014 Oct 19
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ESA and ISRO: Both Mars Express and MOM in good health
ISRO have just posted this on their Facebook page:http://blogs.esa.int/mex/2014/10/20/spa ... continues/
Posted on 20/10/2014 by Daniel
Update from Spacecraft Operations Manager Michel Denis at ESOC:
Comet Siding Spring has flown by Mars .
Thanks to the DSN radio-science receiver at Madrid (then Goldstone) we could follow the Mars Express S-Band beacon practically all the time, including closest approach and comet plane crossing. Despite the very low level of concern, this was quite good to have.
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MargaritaISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission is in good health past the exit of comet #SidingSpring.
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Re: No Meteor Storm on Mars from C/2013 A1
Emily Lakdawalla has posted a status update All Mars missions fine after Siding Spring flyby and has noted that some raw images of the comet have already turned up from the rovers. One from Opportunity (processed by a member of the unmanned spaceflight forum) is in the blog post.
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NASA Rover Opportunity Views Comet Near Mars
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MRO Image Shows Comet Nucleus is Small
MRO Image Shows Comet Nucleus is Small
- These images were taken of comet C/2013 A1 Siding Spring by HiRISE on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter on Oct. 19, 2014, during the comet's close flyby of Mars and the spacecraft. Comet Siding Spring is on its first trip this close to the sun from the Oort Cloud at the outer fringe of the solar system. [b][i]Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona[/i][/b]
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Re: No Meteor Storm on Mars from C/2013 A1
Too bad we can't gather much about the shape of the nucleus from three pixels.
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Close Encounters: Comet Siding Spring Seen Next to Mars
Close Encounters: Comet Siding Spring Seen Next to Mars
NASA | STScI | HubbleSite | 2014 Oct 23
Mars and Comet Siding Spring - October 19, 2014
NASA | STScI | AURA | Hubble Heritage | 2014 Oct 23
NASA | STScI | HubbleSite | 2014 Oct 23
Mars and Comet Siding Spring - October 19, 2014
NASA | STScI | AURA | Hubble Heritage | 2014 Oct 23
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spacecraft and rover images of Comet Siding Spring
Planetary Society: Seven Mars spacecraft attempted observations of comet Siding Spring. How did they go?
Posted by Emily Lakdawalla
2014/11/03 22:03 UTC
It's been two weeks since comet Siding Spring passed close by Mars, and six of the seven Mars spacecraft have now checked in with quick looks at their images of the encounter. None of the spacecraft photos of the comet is visually spectacular -- there are no enormous fireballs streaking across Martian skies. What the released images do show us is that this is a terrific data set taken from very close range on an Oort cloud comet; over the coming months and years, we'll enjoy the fruits of careful scientific investigation of a unique data set.
And it's worth taking a moment to appreciate how we got these photos. A year ago, we discovered a teeny tiny object that had never visited the inner solar system before; we predicted that it would pass by another planet; we already had five spacecraft at that planet, and two more preparing to launch; and we commanded all these autonomous robots to catch the comet as it flashed by at 55 kilometers per second
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I've not hotlinked any of the images as they are best seen in context in Emily's blog post
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NASA: Mars Spacecraft Reveal Comet Flyby Effects
Mars Spacecraft Reveal Comet Flyby Effects on Martian Atmosphere
NASA | GSFC | JPL-Caltech | University of Colorado, Boulder | 2014 Nov 07
NASA | GSFC | JPL-Caltech | University of Colorado, Boulder | 2014 Nov 07
Two NASA and one European spacecraft that obtained the first up-close observations of a comet flyby of Mars on Oct. 19, have gathered new information about the basic properties of the comet's nucleus and directly detected the effects on the Martian atmosphere.
Data from observations carried out by NASA's Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution (MAVEN) mission, NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO), and a radar instrument on the European Space Agency's (ESA's) Mars Express spacecraft have revealed that debris from the comet added a temporary and very strong layer of ions to the ionosphere, the electrically charged layer high above Mars. In these observations, scientists were able to make a direct connection from the input of debris from a specific meteor shower to the formation of this kind of transient layer in response; that is a first on any planet, including Earth.
Comet C/2013 A1 Siding Spring traveled from the most distant region of our solar system, called the Oort Cloud, and made a close approach around 2:27 p.m. EDT within about 87,000 miles (139,500 kilometers) of the Red Planet. This is less than half the distance between Earth and our moon and less than one-tenth the distance of any known comet flyby of Earth.
Dust from the comet impacted Mars and was vaporized high in the atmosphere, producing what was likely an impressive meteor shower. This debris resulted in significant temporary changes to the planet's upper atmosphere and possible longer-term perturbations. Earth-based and a host of space telescopes also observed the unique celestial object. ...
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PSI: New Insights into Comet Siding Spring
New Insights into Comet Siding Spring
Planetary Science Institute | 2014 Nov 10
Constraining the Dust Coma Properties of Comet C/Siding Spring (2013 A1) at Large Heliocentric Distances - Jian-Yang Li et al
Planetary Science Institute | 2014 Nov 10
Data from the Hubble Space Telescope gathered on Comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring) as it approached and closely passed Mars could offer insights on the formation of our Solar System, a Planetary Science Institute researcher said.
“The HST images reveal how the comet looked as it raced towards Mars, not only helping us understand its composition and physical properties, but also, more critically, providing a wealth of unique information to understand the dust coma of the comet that Mars and the spacecraft around it had to pass through,” said Jian-Yang Li, a research scientist at the Planetary Science Institute.
Li is lead author on a paper, “Constraining the Dust Coma Properties of Comet C/Siding Spring (2013 A1) at Large Heliocentric Distances” that will appear in Astrophysical Journal Letters. Li gave a presentation on this research today, and will discuss his findings at a press conference Tuesday, at the 46th Annual Division for Planetary Science conference held in Tucson Nov. 9-14. He will also present at the meeting the preliminary results from the Hubble Space Telescope observations of the comet during its close encounter with Mars that occurred on October 19.
“The color of this comet suggests the existence of water ice in its coma, when it was observed more than 3 AU from the Sun. At this distance, the bulk of comet activity is driven by the sublimation of CO and CO2. Water ice is like rock,” Li said. “This is similar to our results for C/ISON, and may indicate a common phenomenon among dynamically new comets. Comets like C/Siding Spring visit the Sun’s vicinity only once every million of years or even once in their lifetimes.”
“This work provides important insight into the nature of comet nuclei. It suggests that ice in the comet nucleus may be mechanically similar to its rocky components – separate chunks capable of being lofted by outgassing, instead of being welded to surrounding ice,” said PSI Director Mark Sykes, who participated in a separate study on the potential hazard of this dust to orbiting spacecraft at Mars.
Constraining the Dust Coma Properties of Comet C/Siding Spring (2013 A1) at Large Heliocentric Distances - Jian-Yang Li et al
- arXiv.org > astro-ph > arXiv:1411.0027 > 31 Oct 2014
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Re: Mars and Comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring)
I've only just seen this blog post, sorry about that!CIOC:Comet Dust in Mars' Atmosphere: How Do the Orbiter Observations Relate to the Siding Spring Dust Models?
November 9, 2014 - 00:01 — Tony Farnham
NASA held a telecon/press conference on November 7 to announce the results from the MAVEN, Mars Express (MEX) and Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) observations that were obtained during the encounter between Mars and comet Siding Spring. The broadcast can be found here: (http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl2). During this event, there were presentations that showed three fascinating pieces of evidence indicating that a significant amount of comet dust was deposited into Mars' atmosphere during the encounter. ...
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