APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

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APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by APOD Robot » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:05 am

Image Surprising Comet ISON

Explanation: After failing to appear for Sun staring spacecraft at perihelion, its harrowing closest approach to the Sun, sungrazing Comet ISON was presumed lost. But ISON surprised observers yesterday as material still traveling along the comet's trajectory became visible and even developed an extensive fan-shaped dust tail. Edited and processed to HD format, this video (vimeo, youtube) is composed of frames from the SOHO spacecraft's coronographs. It follows the comet in view of the wide (blue tint) and narrow (red tint) field cameras in the hours both before and after perihelion passage. In both fields, overwhelming sunlight is blocked by a central occulting disk. A white circle indicates the Sun's positon and scale. With questions to be answered and the tantalizing possibility that a small cometary nucleus has survived in whole or part, surprising comet ISON will be rising before dawn in planet Earth's skies in the coming days.

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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by owlice » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:31 am

Yowza!!! Very cool!!!
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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by firstmagnitude » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:42 am

I think the cat analogy works well with this comet - "Comets are like cats; they have tails, and they do precisely what they want." - David H. Levy. Plus the fact that this comet has 9 lives like a cat works well too.

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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by StarTrailer » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:03 am

Awesome video! But what is the sound and from where is it coming? Will try to see Ison in the AM if the weather in western PA ever clears.

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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by BMAONE23 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:40 pm

Looks more and more like the Comet actually evaporated but only well after perihelion

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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by MargaritaMc » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:59 pm

http://earthsky.org/space/big-sun-divin ... ar-in-2013

There is an interesting video at this link, which seems to show the brightening clearly. The video has to be downloaded to view. (That is, on my Android tablet, I could only view it by downloading the file and playing it with MX Player.)
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Post by Boomer12k » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:28 pm

It is interesting that the tail does not point directly away from the sun....as is sometimes depicted in drawings and things...


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Post by Boomer12k » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:30 pm

I don't really recommend "Sundiving".....Bad for your complexion....

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Post by neufer » Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:48 pm

Boomer12k wrote:
It is interesting that the tail does not point directly away from the sun....as is sometimes depicted in drawings and things...

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At perihelion the comet was moving faster than the solar wind.
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Post by BMAONE23 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:20 pm

Latest SOHO image shows what appears to be only a debris field No more apparent bright Coma
The latest GIF shows dispersal with a diffuse and darkening coma
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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:07 pm

neufer wrote:
Boomer12k wrote:
It is interesting that the tail does not point directly away from the sun....as is sometimes depicted in drawings and things...

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At perihelion the comet was moving faster than the solar wind.
More or less. The perihelion speed was 370 km/s. The densest solar wind has a speed of about 400 km/s, with faster winds from coronal holes about twice that. Material from CMEs can move in excess of 1000 km/s.

Of course, the comet did not need to exceed the speed of the solar wind to show a substantial apparent deflection in the direction of its ion tail.

That said, I think we are seeing a dust tail in these images, and the dust tail isn't affected by the solar wind, but by radiation pressure. That doesn't provide much force, so near the Sun we see the dust trail virtually in the same orbit as the comet, and not pointing away from the Sun much at all.
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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by Myrkle » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:59 pm

I just reviewed the 3-day video of perihelion available at SpaceWeather.com, and, given how quickly it is fading, comet ISON should be renamed comet Icarus...

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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by BMAONE23 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:21 pm

There once was a Comet named ISON
Twas promised "The best you'll lay Eyes on"
although near the end
it did brighten again
it fizzled out into a Bye-Gone

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Post by Zerosan » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:07 pm

Is the sound actual recording? Is this what space sounds like? Amazing Video!

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Post by owlice » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:27 pm

If you will watch to the end of the video, you will see where the audio for this video comes from.
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Post by Ann » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:07 am

ISON is like Bison?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_bison wrote:

The American bison (Bison bison), also commonly known as the American buffalo, is a North American species of bison that once roamed the grasslands of North America in massive herds, became nearly extinct by a combination of commercial hunting and slaughter in the 19th century and introduction of bovine diseases from domestic cattle, and has made a recent resurgence largely restricted to a few national parks and reserves.
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Post by Beyond » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:15 am

ISON is like Bison :?: :?:

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REALLY :?:
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Post by neufer » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:13 pm

Beyond wrote:
ISON is like Bison :?: :?: REALLY :?:
It sure had us all buffaloed
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Post by neufer » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:38 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
neufer wrote:
Boomer12k wrote:
It is interesting that the tail does not point directly away from the sun....as is sometimes depicted in drawings and things...

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At perihelion the comet was moving faster than the solar wind.
More or less. The perihelion speed was 370 km/s. The densest solar wind has a speed of about 400 km/s, with faster winds from coronal holes about twice that. Material from CMEs can move in excess of 1000 km/s. Of course, the comet did not need to exceed the speed of the solar wind to show a substantial apparent deflection in the direction of its ion tail. That said, I think we are seeing a dust tail in these images, and the dust tail isn't affected by the solar wind, but by radiation pressure. That doesn't provide much force, so near the Sun we see the dust trail virtually in the same orbit as the comet, and not pointing away from the Sun much at all.
There certainly was a recent CME in the vicinity :!:

however, the super-sonic solar wind is rather difficult to define closer than 10 solar radii:
http://www-solar.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/~alan/sun_course/Chapter6/node3.html wrote: Parker's solar wind model

<<Parker (1958) suggested that the corona could not remain in static equilibrium but must be continually expanding since the interstellar pressure cannot contain a static corona. The continual expansion is called the solar wind. The existence of a solar wind had been known from comet observations but the properties predicted by Parker were confirmed by the satellites Lunik III and Venus I in 1959 and by Mariner II in the early 1960s. The main assumptions of Parker's model are that the outflow is steady, spherically symmetric and isothermal. It is straightforward to relax the isothermal assumption and consider an adiabatic or polytropic atmosphere.

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where C is a constant.

Five distinct types of solutions for different values of C are indicated. Solution I is doubled valued and so is unphysical. It is not possible for the plasma to leave the solar surface with a velocity below the sound speed, reach a maximum radius below rc and then turn round and return to the Sun with a super-sonic speed. Solution II is also double valued but it never even starts from the solar surface and it is also unphysical. Solution III starts with a velocity greater than the sound speed but such a fast steady outflow is not observed. Hence, this solution must also be neglected. The only two types of solution that are physically reasonable at this stage are IV and V. Solution V is the particular case where the plasma leaves the solar surface with a particular speed and passes through the critical point (also called the sonic point) at r = rc and v = cs. Solution IV always remains below the sound speed and is called the solar breeze solution. For solution V we choose the constant C so that r = rc and v = cs and this requires C = -3. Is it possible to decide between solutions IV and V?

Assuming a typical coronal temperature of 106K the sound speed is

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The real solar wind does not come from the whole of the solar surface but only from the coronal hole regions where the magnetic field is open. This is only about 20 percent of the whole surface. The strong magnetic field of the other 80 percent is closed and effectively holds in the hot corona.>>
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Post by geckzilla » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:21 pm

neufer wrote:
Beyond wrote:
ISON is like Bison :?: :?: REALLY :?:
It sure had us all buffaloed
You had an opportunity to reference this and you didn't? :D
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Re: APOD: Surprising Comet ISON (2013 Nov 30)

Post by Beyond » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:38 pm

The Indians avoid all that Buffalo Bull. They call Bison... Tatonka.
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Post by neufer » Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:50 pm

Beyond wrote:
neufer wrote:
Beyond wrote:
ISON is like Bison :?: :?: REALLY :?:
It sure had us all buffaloed
The Indians avoid all that Buffalo Bull.
They call Bison... Tatonka.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonka wrote: Image
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Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:56 pm

Beyond wrote:The Indians avoid all that Buffalo Bull. They call Bison... Tatonka.
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Post by Beyond » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:06 pm

And don't forget the beer-->Image
I didn't realize there were soooo many variations of Tatonka.
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Post by Wildbegonia » Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:10 pm

Thank you for sharing this stunning images. I love the background electroacoustic music too. Who's credit is it?
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