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Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:28 pm
by Ann
A nearby star, HD 140283, is both older, brighter and bluer than the Sun. And not only is it older, it is as old as the universe!

HD 140283 is a subgiant of spectral class F3, hotter than the Sun, with a Johnson B-V index of +0.484 ± 0.010, bluer than the Sun. The apparent luminosity of HD 140283 is +7.20, which, coupled with its well-measured distance of 190 light-years, means that its absolute V luminosity is 3.72 ± 0.30 that of the Sun. Amazingly, HD 140283 is incredibly metal-poor. In other words, it appears to be made of the kind of the almost perfect mixture of hydrogen and helium that came directly from the Big Bang, with just the tiniest seasoning of other elements in the brew.

Now Howard E. Bond, Edmund P. Nelan, Don A. VandenBerg, Gail H. Schaefer and Dianne Harmer claim in an article that the luminosity and chemical composition of HD 140283 means that its age is 14.46 ± 0.31 billion years. In view of the fact that the universe itself is believed to be only 13.77 billion years old, HD 140283 can't really be celebrating its 14.46th billionth birthday any time soon. But, say the authors of the article about HD 140283, the uncertainty about the star's age is really 0.8 billion years, which means that HD 140283 is not too old for the universe it inhabits if it was born right on the heels of the Big Bang.
M55. Photo: B.J. Mochejska, J. Kaluzny
To me it is absolutely amazing that a star that has been around for as long as the universe can be bluish in color, or at least bluer than the Sun. Normally stars get redder as they age. Really the oldest star in the universe ought to have been a tiny red dwarf, don't you think so?

The explanation for the color and brightness of HD 140283 must be that it is a blue horizontal branch star, the kind of star that is always old and very metal-poor. In the diagram of the stellar content of globular cluster M55, you can see the location of the blue horizontal stars at upper left. HD 140283 must be a member of the blue horizontal crowd!

Read about HD 140283 here, where you can also see a picture of the star.

Ann

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:46 pm
by Beyond
Nearly as old as the universe? And it's right in our own back yard?? Coincidence???

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:17 pm
by Chris Peterson
Beyond wrote:Nearly as old as the universe? And it's right in our own back yard?? Coincidence???
Why? Our own backyard is, in fact, as old as the Universe. There are no "new" bits!

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:19 pm
by Ann
Beyond wrote:Nearly as old as the universe? And it's right in our own back yard?? Coincidence???
I don't know... He (She? What's the gender of a star?) is a messenger boy? (person? star?) from the Big Bang itself, perhaps? Wonder what it's trying to tell us?

Ann

Nearby Ancient Star is Almost as Old as the Universe

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:47 pm
by bystander
Nearby Ancient Star is Almost as Old as the Universe
Universe Today | Dan Majaess | 2013 Feb 23

Stellar Senior Citizen
Sky & Telescope | John Bochanski | 2013 Feb 19

HD 140283: A Star in the Solar Neighborhood that Formed Shortly After the Big Bang - Howard E. Bond et al

Re: Nearby Ancient Star is Almost as Old as the Universe

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:59 pm
by MargaritaMc
bystander wrote:
HD 140283: A Star in the Solar Neighborhood that Formed Shortly After the Big Bang - Howard E. Bond et al
I downloaded the PDF of the Astrophysical Journal Letters article, just to see how much of it I might be able to understand. What I could understand was enough to stagger me. The precision of parallax measurement simply defies belief.
The authors of the paper noted
The Fine Guidance Sensors on the Hubble Space Telescope can yield parallaxes better than 0.2 mas
Am I correct in thinking that that is, 1/3600÷1/1000 of a degree of arc :?: :!: :shock:
Margarita

1 arcsecond = 1/3600 degree. 1 milli-arc second or mas, which stands for 1/1000 arc second.

Re: Nearby Ancient Star is Almost as Old as the Universe

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:30 pm
by bystander
MargaritaMc wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that that is, 1/3600÷1/1000 of a degree of arc :?: :!: :shock:

1 arcsecond = 1/3600 degree. 1 milli-arc second or mas, which stands for 1/1000 arc second.
You understood correctly, but your mathematical representation is off. It should be:

1/3600 * 1/1000 of a degree of arc

Re: Nearby Ancient Star is Almost as Old as the Universe

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:44 pm
by Chris Peterson
bystander wrote:
MargaritaMc wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that that is, 1/3600÷1/1000 of a degree of arc :?: :!: :shock:

1 arcsecond = 1/3600 degree. 1 milli-arc second or mas, which stands for 1/1000 arc second.
You understood correctly, but your mathematical representation is off. It should be:

1/3600 * 1/1000 of a degree of arc
Actually, the units are messed up in both cases.

It should be

1 mas = 1/3600 degree / 1000 (unitless) = 1/3600000 degrees = 2.8 x 10-7 degrees or 280 nanodegrees. That's a little better than one part in a billion resolution when measuring the circumference of a circle.

Re: Nearby Ancient Star is Almost as Old as the Universe

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:50 pm
by MargaritaMc
bystander wrote:
MargaritaMc wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that that is, 1/3600÷1/1000 of a degree of arc :?: :!: :shock:

1 arcsecond = 1/3600 degree. 1 milli-arc second or mas, which stands for 1/1000 arc second.
You understood correctly, but your mathematical representation is off. It should be:

1/3600 * 1/1000 of a degree of arc
Oh, crumbs! What a boo-boo :oops: thanks for telling me. I do know that - but nothing mathematical comes automatically with me. But I really AM working on it, and am just starting "Basic Maths for Dummies" because I just do not want to continue to be so innumerate.

Margarita
PS. Thanks Chris - your post came as I was drafting this post.

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:10 pm
by neufer


Ann wrote:
A nearby star, HD 140283, is both older, brighter and bluer than the Sun. And not only is it older, it is as old as the universe!

HD 140283 is a subgiant of spectral class F3, hotter than the Sun, with a Johnson B-V index of +0.484 ± 0.010, bluer than the Sun. The apparent luminosity of HD 140283 is +7.20, which, coupled with its well-measured distance of 190 light-years, means that its absolute V luminosity is 3.72 ± 0.30 that of the Sun. Amazingly, HD 140283 is incredibly metal-poor. In other words, it appears to be made of the kind of the almost perfect mixture of hydrogen and helium that came directly from the Big Bang, with just the tiniest seasoning of other elements in the brew.

To me it is absolutely amazing that a star that has been around for as long as the universe can be bluish in color, or at least bluer than the Sun. Normally stars get redder as they age. Really the oldest star in the universe ought to have been a tiny red dwarf, don't you think so?
Actually HD 140283's absolute V luminosity ~3.4 (see below).

Nevertheless, HD 140283 is a relatively dim but massive sub-giant star which, due to its low metallicity, "looks like a star twice as hot (i.e., much bluer) than it is."
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/Stellar-Senior-Citizen-191887131.html wrote:
The search for the oldest stars in the Universe has just turned up a new candidate: HD 140283. This 7th-magnitude sub-giant has intrigued astronomers for decades. It was one of the first stars found with an extremely low concentration of heavy elements in its outer atmosphere, compared with the Sun. And this composition makes the star — which has roughly the same [surface] temperature as the Sun — look like a star twice as hot as it is.
http://www.universetoday.com/100147/ wrote:

HD 140283 is estimated to be 14.46+-0.80 billion years old. On the y-axis is the star’s pseudo-luminosity, on the x-axis its temperature. Computed evolutionary tracks (solid lines ranging from 13.4 to 14.4 billion years) were applied to infer the age (image credit: Bond et al. 2013 by D. Majaess, arXiv).
  • Log (Sun's surface temperature: ~5,800 K) ~3.763
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fairy_with_Turquoise_Hair wrote:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
<<The Fairy With Turquoise Hair (Italian: La Fata dai Capelli Turchini) is a fictional character in Carlo Collodi's book The Adventures of Pinocchio. She repeatedly appears at critical moments in Pinocchio's wanderings to admonish the little wooden puppet to avoid bad or risky behavior. Although the naïvely willful marionette initially resists her good advice, he later comes to follow her instruction. She in turn protects him, and later enables his assumption of human form.

In Walt Disney's Pinocchio, the Fairy (voiced by Evelyn Venable) is referred to as The Blue Fairy, and is one of the four leading protagonists in the film. It is she who brings Pinocchio to life, and she is much less involved in his upbringing than she is in the book, having appointed Jiminy Cricket as Pinocchio's conscience.

In Giuliano Cencis' 1972 adaptation Un burattino di nome Pinocchio, the Fairy (voiced by Vittoria Febbi) is portrayed much more accurately to the book than she is in the Disney adaptation. She has no role in creating Pinocchio, though she does offer him guidance and support. Though she is accurately portrayed as sporting blue hair, she does not physically age as she does in the book.

In Steven Spielberg's 2001 movie A.I.: Artificial Intelligence (2001), the Blue Fairy (voiced by Meryl Streep) appears as a plot MacGuffin. The main character, David, a robotic child played by Haley Joel Osment, believes that the Blue Fairy has the power to turn him into a real boy. It also appears in the form of the Coney Island statue of the Blue Fairy, which David mistakes for a real blue fairy.>>

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:41 pm
by Beyond
MargaritaMc wrote:...because I just do not want to continue to be so innumerate.
What's wrong with being innumerate :?: I'm that way all the time, plus rather illiterate when it comes to the inglish language. Looks like I'm well into the "rates". :lol2: And i have no idea of what the * bystander used, means.

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:07 pm
by MargaritaMc
Beyond wrote:
MargaritaMc wrote:...because I just do not want to continue to be so innumerate.
What's wrong with being innumerate :?: I'm that way all the time, plus rather illiterate when it comes to the inglish language. Looks like I'm well into the "rates". :lol2: And i have no idea of what the * bystander used, means.
Ah, but, You Are Beyond rating, Beyond...

And I think the * bystander used was to show that we are talking about a blue star. :o

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:39 pm
by Beyond
Ah.. blue star. Another thing I'm beyond rateing in... sign language. :lol2:

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:07 am
by Ann
Art wrote:
Nevertheless, HD 140283 is a relatively dim but massive sub-giant star which, due to its low metallicity, "looks like a star twice as hot (i.e., much bluer) than it is."
I think I beg to differ, Art. Isn't it true that the star is as blue as it is, but it is not as hot as it looks?

A metal-rich star will have very many spectral lines, particularly in the short-wave part of the visible spectrum. Its light will be "reddened" by its spectral lines. But a very metal-poor star will mostly lack spectral lines, so that its light will be "unreddened", and that way it will look bluer than the metal-rich star.

In a way, we may compare these "cooler than they look" blue metal-poor stars with some "cooler then they look" "blue" white dwarfs.
Harvey B. Richer, Jay Anderson, James Brewer, Saul Davis, Gregory G. Fahlman,
Brad M.S. Hansen, Jarrod Hurley, Jasonjot S. Kalirai, Ivan R. King, David Reitzel,
R. Michael Rich, Michael M. Shara, Peter B. Stetson wrote:
In recent years, it has been appreciated that the white dwarf cooling sequence
is expected to turn back to the blue at faint magnitudes (5-9). As white dwarfs with
hydrogen-rich atmospheres cool below temperatures of 4000 K, they exhibit the
collision-induced absorption (CIA) of molecular hydrogen (10). CIA is strongest at
near-infrared wavelengths, which suppresses the flux near 1 micron (11) and causes the
optical colors to become bluer as the star cools, rather than redder as might be expected
from a blackbody.
For the rest of the article above, see http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0702209.pdf.

Thanks for the diagram of the metal-poor F-type star's light curve.. Does that "evolutionary curve" tell us that HD 140283 isn't a horizontal branch star after all?

Ann

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:09 am
by neufer
Ann wrote:
Art wrote:
Nevertheless, HD 140283 is a relatively dim but massive sub-giant star which, due to its low metallicity, "looks like a star twice as hot (i.e., much bluer) than it is."
I think I beg to differ, Art. Isn't it true that the star is as blue as it is, but it is not as hot as it looks?
A star "looks hot" only because it "looks blue." The two are synonymous.

A star of a given effective temperature "looks like a star twice as hot (i.e., much bluer) than it is."
Ann wrote:
A metal-rich star will have very many spectral lines, particularly in the short-wave part of the visible spectrum. Its light will be "reddened" by the spectral lines. But a very metal-poor star will mostly lack spectral lines, so that its light will be "unreddened", and way it will look bluer than the metal-rich star.

Thanks for the diagram. Does that "evolutionary curve" tell us that HD 140283 isn't a horizontal branch star after all?
Metals also provide extra electrons that produce H ions for continuum absorption:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Photosphere wrote: <<The visible surface of the Sun, the photosphere, is the layer below which the Sun becomes opaque to visible light. Above the photosphere visible sunlight is free to propagate into space, and its energy escapes the Sun entirely. The change in opacity is due to the decreasing amount of H ions, which absorb visible light easily. Conversely, the visible light we see is produced as electrons react with hydrogen atoms to produce H ions. The photosphere is tens to hundreds of kilometers thick, being slightly less opaque than air on Earth. Because the upper part of the photosphere is cooler than the lower part, an image of the Sun appears brighter in the center than on the edge or limb of the solar disk, in a phenomenon known as limb darkening. Sunlight has approximately a black-body spectrum that indicates its temperature is about 6,000 K, interspersed with atomic absorption lines from the tenuous layers above the photosphere. The photosphere has a particle density of ~1023 m−3. (This is about 0.37% of the particle number per volume of Earth's atmosphere at sea level.) The photosphere is not fully ionized—the extent of ionization is about 3%, leaving almost all of the hydrogen in atomic form.>>
Ann wrote:
Does that "evolutionary curve" tell us that HD 140283 isn't a horizontal branch star after all?
  • That's how I understand it.

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:16 am
by Ann
Well, take a look at my edited post, Art, and see what I wrote about cool white dwarfs. They can be "too blue for their temperature", so that color and temperature don't correspond perfectly. Why shouldn't metal-poor stars be "too blue for their temperature", too?

I still think that HD 140283 is as blue as it looks, but not necessarily as hot as its color would indicate.

Ann

EDIT: I've re-read your post now, Art. I think we are in agreement, so I'll stop arguing with you! :D

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:29 pm
by neufer
Ann wrote:
http://www.universetoday.com/100147/ wrote:

HD 140283 is estimated to be 14.46+-0.80 billion years old. On the y-axis is the star’s pseudo-luminosity, on the x-axis its temperature. Computed evolutionary tracks (solid lines ranging from 13.4 to 14.4 billion years) were applied to infer the age (image credit: Bond et al. 2013 by D. Majaess, arXiv).

Log (Sun's surface temperature: ~5,800 K) ~3.763
Does that "evolutionary curve" tell us that HD 140283 isn't a horizontal branch star after all?
I'm assuming that HD 140283 has just left the Main Sequence of lower mass Population III stars and that
it has yet to reach the red giant branch & core helium ignition (flash) much less the horizontal branch (HB):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizontal_branch wrote: <<The horizontal branch (HB) is a stage of stellar evolution that immediately follows the red giant branch in stars whose masses are similar to the Sun's. The helium core flash that occurs to stars at the top of the red giant branch causes substantial changes in stellar structure, resulting in an overall reduction in luminosity, some contraction of the stellar envelope, and surfaces reaching higher temperatures. Horizontal branch stars are powered by helium fusion in the core (via the triple-alpha reaction) and by hydrogen fusion in a shell surrounding the core.

Horizontal branches were discovered with the first deep photographic photometric studies of globular clusters and were notable for being absent from all open clusters that had been studied up to that time. The horizontal branch is so named because in low-metallicity samples like globular clusters, HB stars lie along a roughly horizontal line in a Hertzsprung–Russell diagram (CMD).

In main sequence stars with masses up to 2.3 times the mass of the Sun, the thermonuclear fusion of hydrogen (bearing the name of p-p chain) at the core will steadily build up a concentration of helium at a rate primarily determined by the mass of the star. In due course, the helium-enriched core becomes unable to sustain nuclear fusion of hydrogen and the fusion process migrates outward to a shell. The core becomes a region of degenerate matter that does not contribute to the generation of energy. It continues to grow and increase in temperature as the hydrogen fusion along the shell contributes more helium.

If the star has more than about 0.5 solar masses , the core eventually reaches the temperature necessary for the fusion of helium into carbon through the triple-alpha process. The initiation of helium fusion begins across the core region, which will cause an immediate temperature rise and a rapid increase in the rate of fusion. Within a few seconds the core becomes non-degenerate and quickly expands, producing an event called helium flash. The output of this event is absorbed by the layers of plasma above, so the effects are not seen from the exterior of the star. The star now changes to a new equilibrium state, and its evolutionary path switches from the red giant branch (RGB) onto the horizontal branch of the Hertzsprung–Russell diagram. This term means that the luminosity of the star will stay relatively stable while the effective temperature increases, effectively migrating horizontally across the H-R diagram.

Stars with an initial mass close to the sun dip down to the red end of the horizontal branch when core helium burning starts, but show only a small increase in temperature before core helium is exhausted. More massive stars spend an extended time on the horizontal branch and show a larger increase in temperature as they burn helium in the core. The shape of the horizontal branch is due both to the movement of individual stars bluewards as they age, and to the temperature of stars with different masses when they reach the horizontal branch. There are further variations, both in luminosity and temperature, due to metallicity and helium content.

Although the horizontal branch is named because it consists largely of stars with approximately the same luminosity and a range of temperature, lying in a horizontal bar on colour-magnitude diagrams, the branch is far from horizontal at the blue end. The horizontal branch ends in a "blue tail" with hotter stars having lower luminosity, occasionally with a "blue hook" of extremely hot stars. The hottest horizontal branch stars, referred to as extreme horizontal branch, have temperatures of 20,000-30,000K. This is far beyond what would be expected for a normal core helium burning star. Theories to explain these stars include binary interactions, and "late thermal pulses", where a thermal pulse that AGB stars experience regularly, occurs after fusion has ceased and the stars has entered the superwind phase. These stars are "born again" with unusual properties. Despite the bizarre-sounding process, this is expected to occur for 10% or more of post-AGB stars, although it is thought that only particularly late thermal pulses create extreme horizontal branch stars, after the planetary nebular phase and when the central star is already cooling towards a white dwarf.

Globular cluster CMDs generally show horizontal branches that have a prominent gap in the HB. This gap in the CMD incorrectly suggests that the cluster has no stars in this region of its CMD. The gap occurs at the instability strip, so many stars in this region pulsate. These pulsating horizontal branch stars are known as RR Lyrae variable stars and they are obviously variable in brightness with periods of up to 1.2 days . It requires an extended observing program to establish the star's true (that is, averaged over a full period) apparent magnitude and color. Such a program is usually beyond the scope of an investigation of a cluster's color-magnitude diagram. Because of this, while the variable stars are noted in tables of a cluster's stellar content from such an investigation, these variable stars are not included in the graphic presentation of the cluster CMD because data adequate to plot them correctly are unavailable. This omission often results in the RR Lyrae gap seen in many published globular cluster CMDs.>>

Hubble Finds Birth Certificate of Oldest Known Star

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:30 pm
by bystander
Hubble Finds Birth Certificate of Oldest Known Star
NASA | STScI | HubbleSite | 2013 Mar 07
A team of astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has taken an important step closer to finding the birth certificate of a star that's been around for a very long time.

"We have found that this is the oldest known star with a well-determined age," said Howard Bond of Pennsylvania State University in University Park, Pa., and the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, Md.

The star could be as old as 14.5 billion years (plus or minus 0.8 billion years), which at first glance would make it older than the universe's calculated age of about 13.8 billion years, an obvious dilemma.

But earlier estimates from observations dating back to 2000 placed the star as old as 16 billion years. And this age range presented a potential dilemma for cosmologists. "Maybe the cosmology is wrong, stellar physics is wrong, or the star's distance is wrong," Bond said. "So we set out to refine the distance."

The new Hubble age estimates reduce the range of measurement uncertainty, so that the star's age overlaps with the universe's age — as independently determined by the rate of expansion of space, an analysis of the microwave background from the big bang, and measurements of radioactive decay.

This "Methuselah star," cataloged as HD 140283, has been known about for more than a century because of its fast motion across the sky. The high rate of motion is evidence that the star is simply a visitor to our stellar neighborhood. Its orbit carries it down through the plane of our galaxy from the ancient halo of stars that encircle the Milky Way, and will eventually slingshot back to the galactic halo.

This conclusion was bolstered by the 1950s astronomers who were able to measure a deficiency of heavier elements in the star as compared to other stars in our galactic neighborhood. The halo stars are among the first inhabitants of our galaxy and collectively represent an older population from the stars, like our Sun, that formed later in the disk. This means that the star formed at a very early time before the universe was largely "polluted" with heavier elements forged inside stars through nucleosynthesis. (The Methuselah star has an anemic 1/250th as much of the heavy element content of our Sun and other stars in our solar neighborhood.)

The star, which is at the very first stages of expanding into a red giant, can be seen with binoculars as a 7th-magnitude object in the constellation Libra.

Hubble's observational prowess was used to refine the distance to the star, which comes out to be 190.1 light-years. Bond and his team performed this measurement by using trigonometric parallax, where an apparent shift in the position of a star is caused by a change in the observer's position. The results are published in the February 13 issue of the Astrophysical Journal Letters.

The parallax of nearby stars can be measured by observing them from opposite points in Earth's orbit around the Sun. The star's true distance from Earth can then be precisely calculated through straightforward triangulation.

Once the true distance is known, an exact value for the star's intrinsic brightness can be calculated. Knowing a star's intrinsic brightness is a fundamental prerequisite to estimating its age.

Before the Hubble observation, the European Space Agency's Hipparcos satellite made a precise measurement of the star's parallax, but with an age measurement uncertainty of 2 billion years. One of Hubble's three Fine Guidance Sensors measured the position of the Methuselah star. It turns out that the star's parallax came out to be virtually identical to the Hipparcos measurements. But Hubble's precision is five times better than that of Hipparcos. Bond's team managed to shrink the uncertainty so that the age estimate was five times more precise.

With a better handle on the star's brightness Bond's team refined the star's age by applying contemporary theories about the star's burn rate, chemical abundances, and internal structure. New ideas are that leftover helium diffuses deeper into the core and so the star has less hydrogen to burn via nuclear fusion. This means it uses fuel faster and that correspondingly lowers the age.

Also, the star has a higher than predicted oxygen-to-iron ratio, and this too lowers the age. Bond thinks that further oxygen measurement could reduce the star's age even more, because the star would have formed at a slightly later time when the universe was richer in oxygen abundance. Lowering the upper age limit would make the star unequivocally younger than the universe.

"Put all of those ingredients together and you get an age of 14.5 billion years, with a residual uncertainty that makes the star's age compatible with the age of the universe," said Bond. "This is the best star in the sky to do precision age calculations by virtue of its closeness and brightness."

This Methuselah star has seen many changes over its long life. It was likely born in a primeval dwarf galaxy. The dwarf galaxy eventually was gravitationally shredded and sucked in by the emerging Milky Way over 12 billion years ago.

The star retains its elongated orbit from that cannibalism event. Therefore, it's just passing through the solar neighborhood at a rocket-like speed of 800,000 miles per hour. It takes just 1,500 years to traverse a piece of sky with the angular width of the full Moon. The star's proper motion angular rate is so fast (0.13 milliarcseconds an hour) that Hubble could actually photograph its movement in a few hours.

'Methuselah' Star Looks Older Than the Universe
Discovery News | Mike Wall, Space.com | 2013 Mar 07

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:01 am
by saturno2
Ann
This topic is super interesting.
Well. I didn´t know that the longevity principle could be aplied to the stars,
too.
I think that HD 140283 is a " longevity star"
It has powerful blue glow as a young star, but his age is oldest than the Universe itself, 14.5 billion of years !!
And as the older people of Vilcabamba Village,walk very fast, HD 140283
" longevity star" travel around the neighborhood of Milky Way at
high speed.
But, what is your secret to longevity?
Maybe it uses fuel very quickly, wich develops much energy, without
wearing much the machine, sorry I meant the star:

oldest star

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:46 pm
by orin stepanek
Hubble finds oldest star
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archiv ... large_web/
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ABOUT THIS IMAGE:
This is a Digitized Sky Survey image of the oldest star with a well-determined age in our galaxy. The aging star, cataloged as HD 140283, lies 190.1 light-years away. Hubble Space Telescope was used to narrow the measurement uncertainty on the star's distance, and this helped refine the calculation of a more precise age of 14.5 billion years (plus or minus 800 million years).

The star is rapidly passing through our local stellar neighborhood. The star's orbit carries it through the plane of our galaxy from the galactic halo that has a population of ancient stars. The Anglo-Australian Observatory (AAO) UK Schmidt telescope photographed the star in blue light.

Object Name: HD 140283

Image Type: Astronomical


Credit: Digitized Sky Survey (DSS), STScI/AURA, Palomar/Caltech, and UKSTU/AAO

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:22 pm
by Ann
saturno2 wrote:Ann
This topic is super interesting.
Well. I didn´t know that the longevity principle could be aplied to the stars,
too.
I think that HD 140283 is a " longevity star"
It has powerful blue glow as a young star, but his age is oldest than the Universe itself, 14.5 billion of years !!
And as the older people of Vilcabamba Village,walk very fast, HD 140283
" longevity star" travel around the neighborhood of Milky Way at
high speed.
But, what is your secret to longevity?
Maybe it uses fuel very quickly, wich develops much energy, without
wearing much the machine, sorry I meant the star:
The way I understand it, low-metallicity stars (like HD 140283) look bluer than high-metallicity stars during their main sequence lifetime. A low-metallicity star is made up of almost pure hydrogen and helium, whereas relatively high-metallicity stars, such as the Sun, contain a lot of "trace elements" like oxygen and iron.

If a high-metallicity star looks blue during its main sequence lifetime (that is, during the time when it is fusing hydrogen to helium in its core), then it must be more massive than the Sun. But if a star is more massive than the Sun, then it must "burn out" more quickly. A star that is more massive than the Sun probably can't be as old as HD 140283. It would have died already.

Because HD 140283 is bluer than the Sun, it looks more massive than the Sun. In reality, however, HD 140283 is probably no more massive than the Sun at all. It just looks bluer because of its very low metallicity. I believe that if the Sun had been as "metal-poor" as HD 140283, then its light would have been as blue as the light of HD 140283.

So HD 140283 may contain no more mass than the Sun. Does that mean it is possible for a star with the mass of the Sun to live for about 13 billion years? Yes, I think it is. I also think, however, that stars are sufficiently "individual" that they age at somewhat different rates. It could be that HD 140283 is particularly long-lived, for one reason or another.

The high speed of the star is probably not strange at all. It could well be that the speed of HD 140283 is high in relation to the Sun, but not in relation to the orbital speed of most stars in th Milky Way. Its orbit could just be different. Imagine that you are out driving of a road, where there are several cars in front of you and behind you. The cars in front of you and behind you don't appear to move very fast, not in relation to your own speed, certainly. But imagine that a car comes toward you from the right or the left. It may appear to move very fast in relation to you, even if it really isn't moving faster than you are. It is probably that way with HD 140283 - it is just moving in a different direction.

Finally, I want to call attention to what Jim Kaler wrote about bright red giant Arcturus. Arcturus is a halo star just like HD 140283. Kaler wrote:
Arcturus has a velocity relative to the Sun that is higher than other bright stars. Compared with the set of surrounding stars, which orbit the Galaxy on more or less circular orbits, it falls behind by about 100 kilometers per second (as do several others of the "Arcturus Group").
The lagging movement has long suggested that the star comes from an older population of the Galaxy.
Consistently, it is somewhat deficient in metals, having only about 20 percent as much iron relative to hydrogen as found in the Sun.
As a giant, weighing in at around 1.5 times the mass of the Sun, it has ceased the fusion of hydrogen in its core.
To summarize, Jim Kaler describes Arcturus as a star that appears to move fast, while in reality it's moving slower than the Sun. It is an old star with low metallicity. But because it is more massive than the Sun, it has used up the hydrogen in its core and turned into a red giant.

HD 140283 is most likely on its way to gianthood soon, but it hasn't become a giant yet.

Ann

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:05 pm
by saturno2
Ann
Thank you for your explanation.
But if HD 140283 " Longevity Star", sorry to use this term that I put in it,
not is a normal star by low metallicity and low mass, then not will become
a red giant and supernova.
On the contrary, his anger burning fuel and off like a candle that has not paraffin, slowly and quietly.
No explosion, no pulsar, no planetary nebula.
Different life, different death.
It will be so?

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:38 am
by Ann
HD 140283 will not explode as a supernova. It is about as massive as the Sun, and the Sun is not massive enough to ever explode as a supernova.

But HD 140283 will become a red giant. The Sun, too, will become a red giant some time in the future. As for HD 140283, it is so old and burns so bright that it must be close to exhausting its core hydrogen by now. It should become a red giant fairly soon.

After spending a time as a red giant, HD 140283 will probably become a "blue horizontal branch" star for a while. Then it will be bluer and hotter again, but it will be slightly fainter than it was during its "red gianthood". Still, it will be brighter than it is now.

After spending some time as a blue horizontal branch star, HD 140283 will cool and expand once more. It will become really large and bright and shine with a yellow-orange light. Stars at this stage of evolution are called Asymptotic Giant Branch stars or AGB stars.
Take a look at this Hubble Space Telescope image of globular cluster M13. The blue stars you can see in it are blue horizontal branch stars. Note that these stars are fairly bright - there are very many non-blue stars in M13 that are fainter - but the blue stars are not the brightest members of M13. Note, too, that there are many yellow-orange stars in M13 that are about as bright as the blue horizontal stars or a little brighter. But there are also a few particularly bright, deeply orange stars in M13. These are the AGB stars.
Planetary Nebula PK 164 +31.1
Image Credit & Copyright: Descubre Foundation, CAHA, OAUV, DSA,
Vicent Peris (OAUV), Jack Harvey (SSRO), PixInsight
When HD 140283 has reached the AGB stage of its evolution, the end will be near for this star. Soon it will become unstable and start shedding its outer layers. It will blow off more and more of itself, until its hot bright core is exposed. Then the ultraviolet light from the core will illuminate and ionize the cast-off outer layers of the star, making them glow gloriously as a planetary nebula.



Ann

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:12 am
by Ann
It is important to understand that HD 140283 is not the oldest star in the universe. There are others that are equally old, that were born at the same time.
Globular cluster M55.
B.J. Mochejska, J. Kaluzny (CAMK), 1m Swope Telescope
This is a so-called color-magnitude diagram of all the stars of globular cluster M55. The higher up the stars are in the diagram, the brighter they are. The farther to the right they are, the redder they are, and the farther to the left they are, the bluer they are.

The stars that are "at bottom right" in this diagram are small, dim and red. They are much less massive than the Sun. To the best of the understanding of astronomers, all such small low-mass red stars that have ever been born are still "alive" and well, unless they have been destroyed by, say, a black hole or something.
Proxima Centauri.
Photo: David Malin, UK Schmidt Telescope, DSS, AAO
The way I understand it, astronomers don't know how and when such small low-mass stars will die. They burn their meager fuel so slowly that it will last for a time that is many times longer than the current age of the universe.

Take a look at this photo. In the center of it, you can see Proxima Centauri, the star that is closer to the Earth than any other star apart from the Sun. Proxima Centauri is exceedingly small, dim and light-weight. Its mass is only about 12% of the Sun's mass, and it shines about one part in 15,000 as bright as the Sun! Proxima Centauri will keep on glowing dimly in the darkness of space perhaps for trillions of years, if the universe lasts that long.

Ann

Re: Bluish star is as old as the universe?

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:06 pm
by rstevenson
This is a great topic for me in particular, as it coincides nicely with what I'm studying now. Just three days ago our Intro to Astrophysics class was introduced to colour magnitude diagrams for clusters. And thanks, Ann, for sharing your knowledge of and enthusiasm for the subject of star colour. I always find your explanations clear and thorough.

Rob