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APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:06 am
by APOD Robot
Image Space Shuttle Rising

Explanation: What's that rising from the clouds? The space shuttle. If you looked out the window of an airplane at just the right place and time last week, you could have seen something very unusual -- the space shuttle Endeavour launching to orbit. Images of the rising shuttle and its plume became widely circulated over the web shortly after Endeavour's final launch. The above image was taken from a shuttle training aircraft and is not copyrighted. Taken well above the clouds, the image can be matched with similar images of the same shuttle plume taken below the clouds. Hot glowing gasses expelled by the engines are visible near the rising shuttle, as well as a long smoke plume. A shadow of the plume appears on the cloud deck, indicating the direction of the Sun. The shuttle Endeavour remains docked with the International Space Station and is currently scheduled to return to Earth next week.

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Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:38 am
by Beyond
Well, that must be a "FIRST". A two part Shuttle launch. One amazing sight below the low clouds and another amazing sight above the clouds. And the moon even got 'mooned' by the Shuttle plumes shadow. Yup! The "LAST" flight turned out to be a "FIRST"!!

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 6:39 am
by billinger
First second I saw that pic I thought myself it`s some gnomon.

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:32 am
by Indigo_Sunrise
What a 8-) image!

I had read the copyrighted link the other day, and thought Ms. Gordon's image was one of those fairly rare 'happy coincidences'. Evidently, coincidence or no, the shuttle training aircraft ready for it!

And billinger - that would be one giant gnomon! :lol:


:mrgreen:

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:43 am
by gingerd
Is it a smoke plume or a steam plume (or a mixture of both)?

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 11:15 am
by neufer
gingerd wrote:
Is it a smoke plume or a steam plume (or a mixture of both)?
Smoke from the solid boosters.
http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/Plume-Power.html wrote: <<Photographer James Vernacotola had stood on the Palm Valley Bridge, which crosses the Intracoastal Waterway near Jacksonville, Florida, to capture night, dawn, and dusk launches from NASA’s Kennedy Space Center, more than a hundred miles to the south. Most recently, he had come in the middle of the night on February 8, 2010, where he nailed an awe-inspiring time exposure of the space shuttle Endeavour rising from the launch pad 115 miles away (see “Sightings” Jun./Jul. 2010). That 4:14 a.m. launch was the last scheduled night launch of the shuttle program. Vernacotola went back a couple months later for the 6:21 a.m. launch of Discovery on STS-131. With the sky brightening in the east, and no moon or stars in the frame, it wouldn’t quite rival the STS-130 shot.

Think again. Six and a half minutes into the ascent, with the solid rocket boosters having long since fallen away but with its three main engines still cooking, the orbiter was suddenly high enough in the northeastern sky to be in sunlight. This revealed a gossamer plume of water vapor expelled by the burning of the liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen propellants. The exhaust instantly condensed to ice crystals in the frigid vacuum of near-space almost a hundred miles high. Vernacotola swiveled his camera on its tripod and made this 15-second exposure (see a larger version here). “That’s the first time I’d ever seen anything like it,” he says. “When we first saw it, we were wondering if something was wrong. Now I suppose the vapor trail is always there, but maybe I’ve never seen it because it was never backlit by the sun like that.”

Four-time shuttle flier Tom Jones confirms these suspicions. He says that the [water vapor] plume gets lost in the fiery booster exhaust during the first two minutes, and would be too diffuse to be seen in daylight or darkness anyway. But the main engines continue to produce it until they shut down about eight and a half minutes after liftoff. Jones has seen the plume from inside the shuttle during ascent. “The steam from the nozzles, at high vacuum [occurring at high altitude] begins to creep up the side of the stack,” he says. “With no ambient pressure, the plume expands to engulf the [external fuel] tank and orbiter sides, so much so that the crew can see the flickering of the steam plume reflecting the luminosity at the engine nozzle through the top windows in the flight deck. The pulsing plume gets your attention—is it a fire?!!! Is everything OK back there? But it’s normal. Just unexpected to see your exhaust racing along with you.”>>
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070603.html
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap070612.html

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:31 pm
by emc
Pre-flight check...
Image

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:54 pm
by hpfeil
Solid booster engines: smoke.
Fuel: Aluminum powder.
Oxidizer: Ammonium perchlorate.
Binding: Elastomer.

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/tec ... f/srb.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shut ... et_Booster

The shuttle engines burn hydrogen from the main fuel tank (liquid oxygen + liquid hydrogen).

What is the chemical composition of the aluminum smoke?

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:39 pm
by neufer
hpfeil wrote:Solid booster engines: smoke.
Fuel: Aluminum powder.
Oxidizer: Ammonium perchlorate.
Binding: Elastomer.

http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/tec ... f/srb.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shut ... et_Booster

The shuttle engines burn hydrogen from the main fuel tank (liquid oxygen + liquid hydrogen).

What is the chemical composition of the aluminum smoke?
http://www.aero.org/publications/crosslink/summer2000/01.html wrote:
Rockets and the Ozone Layer
Martin N. Ross and Paul F. Zittel
[img3="Most chlorine emerges from solid-propellant rocket motors as hydrogen chloride (HCl). Some of the HCl is converted into reactive chlorine atom (Cl) and molecule (Cl2) by downstream chemical processes called "afterburning." Computer models are used to predict how much of the chlorine is in the reactive form as a function of distance away from the motor nozzle. Here, a model predicts that about one-third of the HCl leaving the nozzle is converted into Cl and Cl2 in the plume of an Athena II rocket as it flies through the ozone layer."]http://www.aero.org/publications/crossl ... /01_04.gif[/img3]
Rocket engine exhaust contains chemical compounds that react with ozone in the stratosphere. A new measurement program suggests that current space transportation activities only minimally affect Earth's protective ozone layer.
<<Both solid and liquid rocket-propulsion systems emit a variety of gases and particles directly into the stratosphere. A large percentage of these emissions are inert chemicals such as carbon dioxide that do not directly affect ozone levels. Emissions of other gases, such as hydrogen chloride and water vapor, though not highly reactive, indirectly affect ozone levels by participating in chemical reactions that determine the concentrations of the ozone-destroying radicals in the global stratosphere. A small percentage of rocket- engine emissions, however, are highly reactive radical compounds that immediately attack and deplete ozone in the plume wake following launch. Aerosol emissions, such as alumina particles, carbon (soot) particles, and water droplets, can also act as reactive compounds when heterogeneous chemical reactions take place on the surface of these particles.

Rocket emissions have two distinct effects on ozone: short-term and long-term. Following launch, rapid chemical reactions between plume gases and particles and ambient air that has been drawn into the plume wake cause immediate changes in the composition of the local atmosphere. During this phase, which lasts for several hours, the concentrations of radicals in the plume can be thousands of times greater than the concentrations found in the undisturbed stratosphere, and the ozone loss is dramatic.

Long-term effects occur as gas and particulate emissions from individual launches become dispersed throughout the global stratosphere and accumulate over time. The concentrations of emitted compounds reach an approximate global steady state as exhaust from recent launches replaces exhaust removed from the stratosphere by natural atmospheric circulation.

The theory of reactive chlorine production in SRM plumes was proved during a WB-57F mission through the plume wake of a Titan IVA. The concentration of chlorine molecule (Cl2) was measured as the aircraft flew through the eight-kilometer-wide plume 40 minutes after launch. Because Cl2 is not present in the undisturbed stratosphere, all of the measured Cl2 could be attributed to the Titan IVA SRMs.>>

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 4:54 pm
by BMAONE23
Would be an awsome sight to see but I wouldn't want to be on the shuttle at that time and notice several hundred more such trails following us up. Who pushed the wrong button???

Re: APOD: Space Shuttle Rising (2011 May 25)

Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:47 am
by SHAN2122
Where can I find other photos in the rising sequence - I am particularly hoping to find photo(s) very much closer to the cloud line.

This is an awesome photo.

What was the distance (approximately) from the rising shuttle to the training craft?

Many thanks