"your Anus" : traditional English
"you RAN us" : Neiroff choice
"You're a NUSS!" : Lakdawalla choice (NUSS : German for nut]
"urine us" : Bris/Baptism accident
"urinous" : Latinized form of Οὐρανός, the Greek word for sky
<<I'm writing my script for my next 365 Days of Astronomy podcast, which will be in honor of the 23rd anniversary of the Voyager 2 Uranus encounter, and since this will be an audio podcast I have to confront the problem of how to pronounce the name of the planet. Merriam-Webster lists two accepted pronunciations, either of which sets schoolchildren tittering, essentially "urine us" or "your anus." Actually, it's not just schoolchildren who titter. Over the last week as I've occasionally been researching the topic I've enjoyed tossing people offhand comments such as "I'm researching Uranus right now," or "there's a new dark spot on Uranus," or my favorite, "hey, did you know they found a new ring around Uranus?" pronouncing it using the second of the two choices, and I invariably get a smile at least.
Some of you are probably thinking "oh, grow up," but honestly, when you talk about Uranus to any English-speaking audience, young or old, I promise you that the humorous sound of the planet's name is the first thing that ninety percent of them think of. (I can't speak to what the name sounds like to non-English-speakers.) So, in my opinion, you have to confront the problem directly. Especially if you're dealing with schoolchildren. Not to comment on it makes you look either like a clueless idiot or a stuffy, humorless bore.
In a past life I taught science to fifth grade students (10-year-olds), and the course included a segment on the solar system. I planned to have the kids deliver oral presentations on different planets. The problem suddenly became one that I was going to give to some hapless 10-year old who was going to have to get up at the front of his or her class and talk for five minutes about Your Anus. Clearly I couldn't do that to the kid without addressing it directly first. So here's the solution I came up with: at the beginning of the solar system unit, I asked the kids to name planets and other things in the solar system, and (inevitably) the class clown shouted out "your anus!!" to the amusement of all. I also smiled and laughed, and pointed out that there was another pronunciation that was almost as bad, and then I got up and wrote the following in big letters on the board:
You're a nuss!
Then I instructed the class full of kids to turn to their neighbors, point, and accuse one other of being a "nuss," which they enjoyed.
A cop-out? Yes. But at least it got every kid in the room to say the name of the planet out loud, and to do it while thinking about a word that, if nonsensical, was at least not scatological. And we were all able to move on and have a good time exploring the solar system without too much embarrassment over the pronunciation of the name of one of its largest members.>>
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:19 pm
by harry
G'day from the land of ozzzz
From the land down under, there may be another meaning.
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:07 am
by Orca
harry wrote:G'day from the land of ozzzz
From the land down under, there may be another meaning.
I always pronounced it, "Ur- A - nus." But then I'd hear scientists and narrators on documentaries refer to it as "Urine-us." Perhaps if someone had, early on, started pronouncing it as, say, "Ur-ON-us," we'd not have such a...er...problem? Is that really the word for it?
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:20 am
by neufer
Orca wrote:I always pronounced it, "Ur- A - nus." But then I'd hear scientists and narrators on documentaries refer to it as "Urine-us." Perhaps if someone had, early on, started pronouncing it as, say, "Ur-ON-us," we'd not have such a...er...problem? Is that really the word for it?
Scientists & narrators on documentaries usually refer to it with the classical: "URINOUS."
...................................................................... URINOUS, a. Of or pertaining to urine, or partaking of its qualities;
having the character (BLUE?) or odor of urine; similar to urine.
......................................................................
Not exactly as "RUINOUS" a pronunciation as what we all learned
as kids (when we kids were more naive than today) and
easily inflected into Emily Lakdawalla's "YOU'RE A NUSS!"
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:33 pm
by neufer
neufer wrote:
Scientists & narrators on documentaries usually refer to it with the classical: "URINOUS."
...................................................................... URINOUS, a. Of or pertaining to urine, or partaking of its qualities;
having the character (BLUE?) or odor of urine; similar to urine.
......................................................................
Not exactly as "RUINOUS" a pronunciation as what we all learned
as kids (when we kids were more naive than today) and
easily inflected into Emily Lakdawalla's "YOU'RE A NUSS!"
We don't say "mer-CURE-ee" or "ju-PIT-er"
so why does RJN want to say "yoo-RAN-us"
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Did Uranus (yoo-RAY-nus) get "back mispronounced"
from Uranium (yoo-RAY-nee-əm)?
What if we were to "back mispronounce" other elements
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* 95 Americium (AM-ə-RIS-ee-əm)
* 97 Berkelium (bər-KEE-lee-əm)
* 99 Einsteinium (eyen-STYE-nee-əm)
o 104 Rutherfordium (RUDH-ər-FOR-dee-əm)
o 109 Meitnerium (myet-NAIR-ee-əm or myet-NER-ee-əm)
o 111 Roentgenium (rent-GEN-ee-əm or runt-GEN-ee-əm)
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Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:39 pm
by geckzilla
Too...many...syllables...
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:17 am
by harry
G'day
It's just amazing how a Greek word when pronounced in English can create so many meanings.
Yes I'm Greek, Uranus maning Sky
Take Brazil, the name for knife in various sizes can have 4 letter word variations.
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:21 am
by Orca
Well I had a math teacher that had a good point about the pronunciation of the greek letter phi, Φ. Apparently some folks pronounce it "fee." But if they did, so goes the argument, we'd have to pronounce π, Pi, as "pee."
So I guess you'd use PEE to find the volume of URINE-US.
Ba dum bum!
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:38 am
by harry
G'day Orca
This reminds of that TV show, that was about nothing.
Now what was that show? It was about 3 Men and a babe, who in their record breaking show ended in jail.
?????
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:52 am
by neufer
harry wrote:This reminds of that TV show, that was about nothing.
Now what was that show? It was about 3 Men and a babe, who in their record breaking show ended in jail.
Orca wrote:Well I had a math teacher that had a good point about the pronunciation
of the greek letter phi, Φ. Apparently some folks pronounce it "fee."
But if they did, so goes the argument, we'd have to pronounce π, Pi, as "pee."
So I guess you'd use PEE to find the volume of URINE-US.
emc wrote:Uranus is no longer a planet due to its strange rotation... and has received its own category... it is now known as a perpendicunet
Now you are just being silly.
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:30 pm
by emc
Thanks, I should have checked Wiki … I was basing “cyan” on my Graphic Arts experience in color proofing for presentations of my commercial artwork (many years ago).
I am being silly. Who’d ever take an Equine Locutionist seriously anyway!
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:45 pm
by BMAONE23
That's Ed...Always horsing around
Re: UT: How Do You Pronounce 'Uranus'?
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:12 pm
by Chris Peterson
neufer wrote:The Uranus-Sixty Symbols video makes two obvious mistakes...what are they?
I picked up on three mistakes in the "obvious" category: (1) none of the Moons are named after characters in "Shakespearean novels", as he wrote no novels; (2) they were all a bit sloppy with their props so far as whether orbits and rotations should be clockwise or counterclockwise, but the apple prop, which represented Earth (viewed from above) was shown spinning the wrong way; (3) the north pole of Uranus doesn't point at the Sun, except once every 84 years.
What caught your attention?
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:47 pm
by emc
BMAONE23 wrote:That's Ed...Always horsing around
I get a kick out of being here! I feel like a pea being cultivated in a watermelon patch.
Re: UT: How Do You Pronounce 'Uranus'?
Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:01 pm
by neufer
Chris Peterson wrote:
neufer wrote:The Uranus-Sixty Symbols video makes two obvious mistakes...what are they?
I picked up on three mistakes in the "obvious" category:
(1) none of the Moons are named after characters in "Shakespearean novels", as he wrote no novels;
Well she did actually say PLAYS & NOVELS.
I for one believe that "Shakespeare" wrote at least TWO novels:
a) Don Quixote, part I & b) Don Quixote, part II.
based in part on the curious fact that "Shakespeare" & "Cervantes"
both died on the same day: April 23, 1616. (i.e., on St. George's Day
...the patron saint of Spanish persecuted England & Portugal.)
But the real problem here is that Belinda, Umbriel, & Ariel were all named after spirits
in Alexander Pope's mock-heroic narrative poem _The Rape of the Lock_ (1717)
Chris Peterson wrote:(2) they were all a bit sloppy with their props so far as whether orbits and rotations should be clockwise or counterclockwise, but the apple prop, which represented Earth (viewed from above) was shown spinning the wrong way;
The man did all his finger spinning the wrong way.
Chris Peterson wrote:(3) the north pole of Uranus doesn't point at the Sun, except once every 84 years.
I missed that one.
Re: RJN's "you RAN us"
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:11 pm
by wonderboy
(stiffled laugh) "Uranus" hahah.
Jk, but seriously. Why change the pronunciation, Uranus is one of the few things which makes learning about astronomy fun. why should we feel the need to deny someone the laugh that we laughed when we first heard the name Uranus? I don't think we should.
But if Uranus means sky that means you can no longer say that someones bottom is blocking out the sun, otherwise you'll be saying "look at the size of that guy/gal, so big his/her sky blocks out the sky!!"