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mark swain wrote:Quote:
An extraordinarily bright object in a galaxy 290 million light-years away could be a new type of black hole—one that Goldilocks would approve of.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -hole.html

So there maybe a distinction between the big and the small? Old and The very Old....The plot thickens..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shine_On,_Harvest_Moon wrote:
<<"Shine On, Harvest Moon" is the name of a popular early-1900s song credited to Jack Norworth and his wife Nora Bayes. It was one of a series of moon related Tin Pan Alley songs of the era. The song was debuted by the composers in the Ziegfeld Follies of 1908 to great acclaim. It became a pop standard, still very familiar some 40 years later, and continues to be performed and recorded occasionally into the 21st century. Like many old popular songs, the verses are often left out, although the verses for this song are musically quite good and set off the chorus well. Also like many songs of that era, the song has an ethnic undercurrent. The duet of Billy Murray and Ada Jones recorded a popular version of the song. They performed the song in a stereotyped African American style, though not taken to the excess of some other recordings of that era.>>

• The night was mighty dark so you could hardly see,
  For the moon refused to shine.
  Couple sitting underneath a willow tree,
  For love they did pine.
  Little maid was kinda 'fraid of darkness
  So she said, "I guess I'll go."
  Boy began to sigh, looked up at the sky,
  And told the moon his little tale of woe
  
  Chorus
  
  Oh, Shine on, shine on, harvest moon
  Up in the sky;
  I ain't had no lovin'
  Since January, April, June or July.
  Snow time ain't no time to stay
  Outdoors and spoon;
  So shine on, shine on, harvest moon,
  For me and my gal.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... n-1908.jpg

mark swain wrote:Quote:
An extraordinarily bright object in a galaxy 290 million light-years away could be a new type of black hole—one that Goldilocks would approve of.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -hole.html

So there maybe a distinction between the big and the small? Old and The very Old....The plot thickens..

Chris Peterson wrote:The teaser you quote above is poorly written: a new type of black hole. What the article actually discusses is a new class of black hole,

mark swain wrote:You will find that the teaser I quoted,, was not written by me,,but was an abstract from the article you just read...

Chris Peterson wrote:I know. That's why I said you quoted it <g>.

mark swain wrote:Can i be correct, from reading this article, That the big black holes 18 billion s/m etc etc,, where created by singularity particles from the big bang?

Chris Peterson wrote:I'm not aware of any such thing as a "singularity particle".

mark swain wrote:Black holes grow bigger when they merge etc etc. This the case, Where does the singularity start?

i,m aware that these questions have never been answered

if a single point singularity exists in all black holes does the ''point'' vary in size?

Chris Peterson wrote: i,m aware that these questions have never been answered


Actually, the process of formation for an ordinary stellar mass black hole from the gravitational collapse of a star is pretty well understood.

Chris Peterson wrote:As previously noted, speculation about the interior of black holes is largely outside the realm of current theory, and is therefore pretty meaningless from a scientific standpoint (and scientific discussion is the charter of this forum).

mark swain wrote:Check out the heading where this forum post is placed under... Anything astronomy related ....

mark swain wrote:Check out the heading where this forum post is placed under... Anything astronomy related ....

Chris Peterson wrote:As previously noted, speculation about the interior of black holes is largely outside the realm of current theory, and is therefore pretty meaningless from a scientific standpoint (and scientific discussion is the charter of this forum).

Abstract: Along with compacting baryon (neutron) spacing, two very important factors come into play at once: the lack of self-stabilization within a compact neutron star (NS) associated with possible black hole (BH) horizon appearance and the phase transition - color deconfinement and QCD-vacuum reconstruction - within the nuclear matter. That is why both phenomena should be taken into account side by side, as the gravitational collapse is considered. Since, under the above transition, the hadronic-phase vacuum (filled up with gluon and chiral $q\bar q$-condensates) turns into the "empty" (perturbation) subhadronic-phase one and, thus, the corresponding (very high) pressure falls down rather abruptly, the formerly cold (degenerated) nuclear medium starts to implode into the new vacuum. If the mass of a star is sufficiently large, then this implosion produces an enormous heating, which stops only after quark-gluon plasma of a temperature about 100 MeV (or even higher) is formed to withstand the gravitational compression (whereas the highest temperatures of supernovae bursts are, at least, one order lower). As a consequence, a "burning wall" must be, most probably, erected on the way of further collapsing the matter towards a black hole formation.

Abstract: We postulate an exact permutation symmetry acting on 10^32 Standard Model copies as the largest possible symmetry extension of the Standard Model. This setup automatically lowers the fundamental gravity cutoff down to TeV, and thus, accounts for the quantum stability of the weak scale. We study the phenomenology of this framework and show that below TeV energies the copies are well hidden, obeying all the existing observational bounds. Nevertheless, we identify a potential low energy window into the hidden world, the oscillation of the neutron into its dark copies. At the same time, proton decay can be suppressed by gauging the diagonal baryon number of the different copies. This framework offers an alternative approach to several particle physics questions. For example, we suggest a novel mechanism for generating naturally small neutrino masses that are suppressed by the number of neutrino species. The mirror copies of the Standard Model naturally house dark matter candidates. The general experimentally observable prediction of this scenario is an emergence of strong gravitational effects at the LHC. The low energy permutation symmetry powerfully constrains the form of this new gravitational physics and allows to make observational predictions, such as, production of micro black-holes with very peculiar properties.

mark swain wrote:

Chris Peterson wrote:As previously noted, speculation about the interior of black holes is largely outside the realm of current theory, and is therefore pretty meaningless from a scientific standpoint (and scientific discussion is the charter of this forum).

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0508095

harry wrote:Condensed matter ( Black holes) is not beyond science.

mark swain wrote:These people must think its worth talking about..
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/sta ... dshow.html

Abstract: We present a new technique for determining the *quantity and composition* of dust in astrophysical environments using <6keV X-rays. We argue that high resolution X-ray spectra as enabled by the Chandra and XMM-Newton gratings should be considered a powerful and viable new resource for delving into a relatively unexplored regime for directly determining dust properties: composition, quantity, and distribution. We present initial cross-section measurements of astrophysically likely iron-based dust candidates taken at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Advanced Light Source synchrotron beamline, as an illustrative tool for the formulation of our methodology. Focused at the 700eV Fe LIII and LII photoelectric edges, we discuss a technique for modeling dust properties in the soft X-rays using L-edge data, to complement K-edge X-ray absorption fine structure analysis techniques discussed in Lee & Ravel 2005. This is intended to be *a techniques paper* of interest and usefulness to both condensed matter experimentalists and astrophysicists. For the experimentalists, we offer a new prescription for normalizing relatively low S/N L-edge cross section measurements. For astrophysics interests, we discuss the use of X-ray absorption spectra for determining dust composition in cold and ionized astrophysical environments, and a new method for determining *species-specific gas-to-dust ratios*. Possible astrophysical applications of interest, are offered. Prospects for improving on this work with future X-ray missions with higher throughput and spectral resolution are presented in the context of spectral resolution goals for gratings and calorimeters, for proposed and planned missions such as Astro-H and the International X-ray Observatory.

mark swain wrote:It got my interest. But i understand what your saying. Black holes are largely unknown subjects... anything about them is speculation, an can never be proven. science comes to a dead end.

Chris Peterson wrote: Idle speculation of a philosophical nature is largely discouraged.

harry wrote:Please read up on the topic.
Chris do you ever read papers?

Compact matter, condensed matter, ultra dense plasma matter, Neutron Matter, quark composite matter, Neutrino matter, Preon matter and dense matter are terms used in many papers.

But! You will not find black hole matter.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.3720
Condensed Matter Astrophysics: A Prescription for Determining the Species-Specific Composition and Quantity of Interstellar Dust using X-rays

The next post I will correct you in more ways than one.

aristarchusinexile wrote:Please remember these words your own when you speak of the theory of black holes as if Black Holes have been proven to exist.