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I'm not sure what you're seeing that gives you this sense of direction change with time. I suppose that a rotating black hole could show precession. However, the material being ejected is quite tenuous and subject to distortion from lots of sources, so trying to figure out the original direction it was emitted in seems nearly impossible when looking far from the source.mark swain wrote:Looking at these images , makes me inclined to say, That the plasma jet is not in the same place over time. It looks as if over millions of years it shifts back and forth, Would this be due to the rotation of the black hole?
Well, yes, that would be nice. Unfortunately, our current physics can't describe the interior of a black hole (it may not even have an interior!), which is why you've never seen a diagram like that.Would be nice to see a photo of a black hole cut in half, like there are photos of the sun, so we can see the inner workings
There is a pattern at the end of the jet, which forms an arch .. I see part in the foreground and the back ground ,, from bystanders link photo. if we could rotate the black hole in rewind you would see the end of the jet create that arch... Now i know that the length of that jet is millions of light years, so i may be seeing an optical allusion. but i can not answer the reason for the arch in any other way. interesting all the same..Chris Peterson wrote: mark swain wrote:Looking at these images , makes me inclined to say, That the plasma jet is not in the same place over time. It looks as if over millions of years it shifts back and forth, Would this be due to the rotation of the black hole?
I'm not sure what you're seeing that gives you this sense of direction change with time. I suppose that a rotating black hole could show precession. However, the material being ejected is quite tenuous and subject to distortion from lots of sources, so trying to figure out the original direction it was emitted in seems nearly impossible when looking far from the source.
The jets are nowhere near millions of light years long. The longest one in Centaurus A is only visible for about 13,000 light years. As the ejected material gets further from the center, it interacts with surrounding gas (there is probably a lot as a result of the galactic collision which is in progress) and is driven all over the place. That's why I think it is difficult or impossible to really determine much from the apparent structure seen at the outside.mark swain wrote:There is a pattern at the end of the jet, which forms an arch .. I see part in the foreground and the back ground ,, from bystanders link photo. if we could rotate the black hole in rewind you would see the end of the jet create that arch... Now i know that the length of that jet is millions of light years, so i may be seeing an optical allusion. but i can not answer the reason for the arch in any other way. interesting all the same..
Chris Peterson wrote:The jets are nowhere near millions of light years long.
The particles produced by the jets are moving far greater than the galaxy's escape velocity, so they have been traveling outwards as long as the jets existed. So certainly, jet material will be found millions of light years away. This is what is seen in the radio wavelength data from your original post. Is that the one with the "arch" structure you mention? I've been discussing the x-ray images posted elsewhere in this discussion. They show the energetic part of the jet- where it is still undergoing acceleration (via poorly understood mechanisms) which maintain the relativistic velocity. That region only extends 10 or 20 thousand light years. Once the material is far enough from the galaxy, it is essentially dispersive in behavior. I'm not sure you would call this distant material a "jet"; it would be more accurate to say it is material from the jet. Regardless of what you call it, however, trying to link the structure of dimly glowing gas millions of light years from the galaxy to the orientation of the original source is about as likely as relating structure in the top of a steam cloud to the orientation of your teapot's spout.mark swain wrote:Sorry Chris but i got the info from my first link ant the top of the page. Quote : The galaxy's black hole generates jets of radio-emitting particles that billow millions of light years out into space.Chris Peterson wrote:The jets are nowhere near millions of light years long.
There lies another debate ,,,, But i fear not on this forum... Maybe another time <g>Chris Peterson wrote:about as likely as relating structure in the top of a steam cloud to the orientation of your teapot's spout.
How can you NOT think the orientation of the teapot's spot will affect the top of the teapot's steam cloud?mark swain wrote:Chris Peterson wrote:about as likely as relating structure in the top of a steam cloud to the orientation of your teapot's spout.
Did I say that the orientation of the teapot's spout wouldn't affect the steam cloud? No, I said that you couldn't use the structure at the top of the steam cloud to understand the orientation of the spout. Very different things.Loco wrote:How can you NOT think the orientation of the teapot's spot will affect the top of the teapot's steam cloud?
I don't think that's what you said, Chris, in fact I just reread, and it's not. Sorry.Chris Peterson wrote:Did I say that the orientation of the teapot's spout wouldn't affect the steam cloud? No, I said that you couldn't use the structure at the top of the steam cloud to understand the orientation of the spout. Very different things.Loco wrote:How can you NOT think the orientation of the teapot's spot will affect the top of the teapot's steam cloud?
You may be right or may be there is a phase in the evolution of galaxy form from spiral to elliptical.Astronomers beleive that Cen A is the result of a merger between a spiral and elliptical galaxy (both huge). The dust lanes aroung the middle are the left overs from the spiral (ellipticals don't usually have dust lanes). See: APOD: 2006 March 4 - The Galaxy Within Centaurus A.