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barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 May 8)
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:11 pm
by mudman
APOD 5/8/2009 seems to show a barred elliptical ringed galaxy. It is on the right side just above center. Google returns 0 results for "barred elliptical ringed galaxy" and only 2 results for "barred elliptical galaxy". This is an unusual configuration. The "ring", if it is actually part of the same elliptical galaxy, seems to make this galaxy unique. Are there other examples of this?
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap090508.html
Re: A barred elliptical ringed galaxy?
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:53 pm
by JAlanScott
What you are seeing is NCG 1264 also known as UGC 2643. I have not been able to find a good closeup of this galaxy. but here is a link to a smallish image.
http://www.skyfactory.org/deepskycatalogue/UGC2643.html
The following link will show you a map of the Perseus cluster
http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/superc/perpsc.html
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:38 pm
by jeremy5848
This picture is said to be "beyond a veil of foreground stars in our own Milky Way." It would be interesting to see this picture with all of the foreground stars Photoshopped out. I'm sure many of us are capable of this chore but I for one would not be sure of which ones to remove beyond a few obvious ones. Anyone ever done such a thing?
Jeremy
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 4:07 am
by harry
G'day from the land of ozzzzzzzz
This link is quite interesting about NGC1275
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080822.html
Fermi Discovery of Gamma-Ray Emission from NGC 1275
Authors: The Fermi/LAT Collaboration: A. A. Abdo, et al, H.D. Aller, M.F. Aller, K.I. Kellermann, Y.Y. Kovalev, Y.A. Kovalev, M. L. Lister, A. B. Pushkarev
(Submitted on
13 Apr 2009)
Abstract: We report the discovery of high-energy (E>100 MeV) gamma-ray emission from NGC 1275, a giant elliptical galaxy lying at the center of the Perseus cluster of galaxies, based on observations made with the Large Area Telescope (LAT) of the Fermi Gamma ray Space Telescope. The positional center of the gamma-ray source is only ~3' away from the NGC 1275 nucleus, well within the 95% LAT error circle of ~5'.The spatial distribution of gamma-ray photons is consistent with a point source. The average flux and power-law photon index measured with the LAT from 2008 August 4 to 2008 December 5 are F_gamma = (2.10+-0.23)x 10^{-7} ph (>100 MeV) cm^{-2} s^{-1} and Gamma = 2.17+-0.05, respectively. The measurements are statistically consistent with constant flux during the four-month LAT observing period.Previous EGRET observations gave an upper limit of F_gamma < 3.72x 10 ^{-8} ph (>100 MeV) cm^{-2} s^{-1} to the gamma-ray flux from NGC 1275. This indicates that the source is variable on timescales of years to decades, and therefore restricts the fraction of emission that can be produced in extended regions of the galaxy cluster. Contemporaneous and historical radio observations are also reported. The broadband spectrum of NGC 1275 is modeled with a simple one-zone synchrotron/synchrotron self-Compton model and a model with a decelerating jet flow.
These filaments are caused by a single point source that eliminates the probability of disc influence. This maybe evidence for the ability of blackholes to release matter at a huge rate. Just a thought.
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:05 am
by Chris Peterson
harry wrote:This link is quite interesting about NGC1275
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080822.html
Fermi Discovery of Gamma-Ray Emission from NGC 1275
Authors: The Fermi/LAT Collaboration: A. A. Abdo, et al, H.D. Aller, M.F. Aller, K.I. Kellermann, Y.Y. Kovalev, Y.A. Kovalev, M. L. Lister, A. B. Pushkarev
These filaments are caused by a single point source that eliminates the probability of disc influence. This maybe evidence for the ability of blackholes to release matter at a huge rate. Just a thought.
You should read the paper, and not just the abstract. The paper describes the point source as being about one light year across. It uses a combination of x-ray images and radio intensity curves to map the source to an AGN. The authors accept without discussion that they are recording relativistic jets that are produced by infalling material from an accretion disc, since they fit their data to models that are based on just that.
There is no suggestion that the jets are caused by material escaping a black hole.
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:17 am
by harry
G'day Chris
When you have all the filaments pointing towards the centre core and coming out one would tend to think that its source is the core.
I'm not saying that the infalling matter does not play a part.
If the infalling matter was the sole player than instabilities would arise and would not cause a structure of filaments as we observe.
The stability of any filament is controlled by its origin and strength of the magnetic field.
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:15 am
by Case
![Image](http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6923/ncg1264fromap090508.jpg)
mudman wrote:APOD 5/8/2009 seems to show a barred elliptical ringed galaxy. It is on the right side just above center.
It is barred and the ends of the spiral arms seem to touch each other, forming a ring. But what makes you think it is an elliptical? (
SIMBAD classifies its morphology as spiral: SBab D;
NED classifies it as SBa-b.)
JAlanScott wrote:a good closeup of this galaxy
NGC 1264 is on the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (
link), but their image is not
much better resolution (0.4 arcsec/pixel) than the
May 8 APOD.
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 10:56 pm
by harry
G'day from the land of ozzzzzzzz
This link is fantastic
http://www.cosmotography.com/index.html
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 3:07 am
by astrolabe
Hello Harry,
Thanks a Mil! WOW, gorgeous!
Re: barred elliptical ringed galaxy (Perseus Cluster 2009 Ma
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 11:16 am
by harry
G'day from the land of ozzzzzz
The Hubble
Classification
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect ... ubble.html
and
NGC 0507:
Black Holes Stir Up Galaxies
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2006/galaxies/
Chandra images of 56 elliptical galaxies have revealed evidence for unsuspected turmoil. As this sample gallery of X-ray (blue & white) and optical (gray & white) images shows, the shapes of the massive clouds of hot gas that produce X-ray light in these galaxies differ markedly from the distribution of stars that produce the optical light.
Except for rare cases, most violent activity in isolated elliptical galaxies was thought to have stopped long ago. Elliptical galaxies contain very little cool gas and dust, and far fewer massive young stars which explode as supernovas. Thus it was expected that the hot interstellar gas would have settled into an equilibrium shape similar to, but rounder than that of the stars.
Surprisingly, this study of elliptical galaxies shows that the distribution of hot gas has no correlation with the optical shape. A powerful source of energy must be pushing the hot gas around and stirring it up every hundred million years or so.
Although supernovas are a possible energy source, a more probable cause has been identified. The scientists detected a correlation between the shape of the hot gas clouds and the power produced at radio wavelengths by high-energy electrons. This power source can be traced back to the supermassive black hole in the galaxies' central regions.
Repetitive explosive activity fueled by the infall of gas into the central supermassive black hole is known to occur in giant elliptical galaxies located in galaxy clusters. Scientists' analysis of the Chandra data indicates that the same phenomena are occurring in isolated elliptical galaxies as well.
and this was interesting
Ring of Hot Blue Stars Pinwheels Around Yellow Nucleus of Hoag's Object Galaxy
http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archiv ... 21/image/a