60" Reflector 100th Birthday (2008 Dec 13)

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60" Reflector 100th Birthday (2008 Dec 13)

Post by apodman » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:49 pm

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081213.html

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/ ... hDec01.jpg

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See also ...

http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/history.html

... for milestones 1908-1949.

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Let's hear it for open tube telescope design ...

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... but I'm having a little trouble finding out when it first came into play. Anyone know?

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Re: 60" Reflector 100th Birthday (2008 Dec 13)

Post by johnrhoads » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:35 pm

Don't know about the first open tube design. But without detracting from the magnificent 60" reflector on Mt Wilson, didn't Herschel build a successful reflecting telescope (48") in 1785? The way I read the caption, this 60" was the 'first' large reflecting telescope period. Seemed a little misleading.

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Re: 60" Reflector 100th Birthday (2008 Dec 13)

Post by bystander » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:03 pm

Herschel's 40' Telescope (48" reflector) Built 1785-1789

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_foot_telescope

Leviathan of Parsonstown 72" reflector Built 1845

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_of_Parsonstown

I think the key here is that these monster's of the past had metal reflectors that required constant repolishing due to oxidation and their light gathering power was inferior to the glass mirrors used ar Mt. Wilson.

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Re: 60" Reflector 100th Birthday (2008 Dec 13)

Post by apodman » Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:47 pm

Another distinction is that the 60" still works after 100 years, whereas it was not practical to maintain the 48" and 72" scopes in useful condition for that length of time. Then there's the hugely successful scalable design of the 60", the nice equatorial mount, and the nice enclosure. Improvement in mirrors? They made a big deal trucking the 200" carefully from Corning to California, and years later they just insured the lightweight replaceable Keck segments and sent them by FedEx to Hawaii.

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Re: 60" Reflector 100th Birthday (2008 Dec 13)

Post by neufer » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:52 pm

bystander wrote:Herschel's 40' Telescope (48" reflector) Built 1785-1789
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_foot_telescope

Leviathan of Parsonstown 72" reflector Built 1845
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_of_Parsonstown

I think the key here is that these monster's of the past had metal reflectors
that required constant repolishing due to oxidation and their light gathering
power was inferior to the glass mirrors used ar Mt. Wilson.
Their light gathering power was far superior
(i.e., by an order of magnitude) to previous telescopes:
<<Not until 1866 did refracting telescopes reach 18 inches in aperture.>>
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Besides, prior to 1935, Mount Wilson's telescopes also had
oxidation problems and had to be re-silvering every few months:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_telescope

<<Mount Wilson Observatory’s 60-inch (1.5 m) reflector in 1908, and the 100 inch (2.5 m) Hooker telescope in 1917 had to have provisions to allow for the removal of their main mirrors for re-silvering every few months. John Donavan Strong, a young physicist at the California Institute of Technology, developed a technique for coating a mirror with a much longer lasting aluminum coating using thermal vacuum evaporation. In 1932, he became the first person to “aluminize” a mirror; three years later the 60-inch and 100-inch telescopes became the first large astronomical telescopes to have their mirrors aluminized.>>
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Note that 2008 is also the 100th anniversary
of the demise of the Leviathan of Parsonstown.

Jonah spent spent three days and three nights which was
about the same number of clear skies opportunities
Bill Parsons had each month in his Dobsonian:
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http://www.klima-luft.de/steinicke/Arti ... birr_e.htm
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Irish astronomer and telescope builder (1800–1867)
http://www.answers.com/topic/rosse-will ... 3d-earl-of

<<The eldest son of the second earl of Rosse, William Parsons was born at York in England. He was educated at Trinity College, Dublin, and Oxford University, where he graduated in 1822. He was a member of parliament from 1822 until 1834, when he resigned to devote himself to science.

Rosse's main aim was to build a telescope at least as large as those of William Herschel. As Herschel had left no details of how to grind large mirrors, Rosse had to rediscover all this for himself. It was not until 1839 that he had made a 3-inch (8-cm) mirror; this was followed by mirrors of 15 inches (38 cm), 24 inches (61 cm), and 36 inches (91 cm) until, in 1842, he felt confident enough to start work on his 72-inch (183-cm) masterpiece. He was only successful on the fifth casting. It weighed 8960 pounds (4064 kg), cost £12,000, and became known as the ‘Leviathan of Corkstown’. Its tube was over 50 feet (15 m) long and because of winds it had to be protected by two masonry piers 50 feet high and 23 feet (7 m) apart in which it was supported by an elaborate system of platforms, chains, and pulleys.

The giant reflector suffered, despite the cost and time, from two major defects. The climate of central Ireland is such that very few nights of viewing are possible during the year. Also, viewing (when possible), was restricted by the piers to a few degrees of the north–south meridian. Despite this Rosse made a couple of discoveries. He was the first to identify a spiral nebula and went on to discover 15 of them. He also named and studied the Crab nebula, which has been so important to contemporary astronomy. The telescope was finally dismantled in 1908. More than the individual discoveries made by Rosse, the Leviathan was important in the warnings it gave telescope builders. Good big mirrors were needed but they were by no means sufficient; in addition a good site and an adequate mounting were necessary.>>
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http://www.klima-luft.de/steinicke/Arti ... r/abb2.jpg
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/exo/r ... 150dpi.jpg
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080614.html
Art Neuendorffer

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