Re: Where am I?
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 11:09 pm
So I keep hanging and dangling around till she comes back...to the left...to the right...to the left...to the right...till I reach expert level
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HURRAH! HE'S GOT IT - BY JOVE, HE'S GOT IT!Beyond wrote:How about this, open carefully so you don't get hurt -->
When I saw Corvus for the first time a few days ago the resemblance to a gaff-rigged spanker sail was remarkable. Me? Sailing background? What ever gives you that idea?The Stellar Neophyte says
Corvus the Crow and Spica's Spanker
Corvus the Crow, with pointer stars toward Spica. Part of the shape resembles a kind of sail called a spanker, which gives the 4-star asterism the name "Spica's Spanker."
I was going to post and ask Ann about the ¿PURPLE? tinged star, but decided to make a puzzle of this delightfully named asterism - SO BRILLIANTLY DEDUCED BY BEYOND - before askinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvus_(constellation)
Four principal stars, δ, γ, ε, and β Crv, form an asterism known as "the "Spica's Spanker" or "the Sail". γ and δ serve as pointers toward Spica.
The four brightest stars in Corvus are mostly unremarkable. Alpha Corvi, also called Alchiba, is a white-hued star of magnitude 4.0, 40 light-years from Earth. Beta Corvi is a yellow-hued giant star of magnitude 2.7, 140 light-years from Earth. Gamma Corvi, also called Gienah, is the brightest star in Corvus at magnitude 2.6. 165 light-years from Earth, it is a blue-white hued giant star. Its traditional name means "wing". Delta Corvi, traditionally called Algorab, is a double star divisible in small amateur telescopes. The primary is a blue-white hued star of magnitude 2.9, 88 light-years from Earth. The secondary is a purple-tinged star of magnitude 9. Its common name means "the raven".
Do you know - that didn't occur to me?! Duh! Thank you - here is your bouquet.Beyond wrote:Purple star It's probably just a blue star shinning through some red stuff.
No, Margarita, purple stars do not exist.MargaritaMc wrote: I was going to post and ask Ann about the ¿PURPLE? tinged star, but decided to make a puzzle of this delightfully named asterism - SO BRILLIANTLY DEDUCED BY BEYOND - before asking
- DO purple stars exist?? HOW??
Margarita
The spectral class of the fainter star is described by Burnham as dK2, by which he means that this is a main sequence K-type star. Such stars are never purple. On the contrary, they are yellow, yellower than the Sun. So why would anyone think that this one might be purple?Robert Burnham, Jr., wrote about Delta Corvi in Burnham's Celestial Handbook, volume two:
Name - ALGORAB. Mag. 2.95; spectrum A0 V or B9.5 V. Position 12273s1614. Delta Corvi is an easy double star for the small telescope, first observed by J. Herschel and J. South in 1823. There has been no change in either the separation or the PA of the pair in the last 140 years, although the physical association is proven by the common proper motion of 0.26" per year in PA 235 degrees. Most observing lists have called the colors "yellowish and pale lilac"; occasionally "white and orange". The small star, magnitude 8.4, has a spectral type of dK2 and an actual luminosity of about half that of the Sun.
Burnham of Burnham's Celestial Handbook often quoted Admiral Smyth's description of the colors of various binaries. When I first read about these color descriptions in Burnham's Celestial Handbook, I often thought the colors described sounded totally improbable. I didn't believe in his colors at all. So where did he get them from?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_He ... other_work wrote:
The first volume of this work was on general astronomy, but the second volume became known as the Bedford Catalogue[5] and contained Smyth's observations of 1,604 double stars and nebulae. It served as a standard reference work for many years afterward; no astronomer had previously made as extensive a catalogue of dim objects such as this. It was reprinted in 1986, and in the Foreword to that edition George Lovi (astronomer and writer)[6] writes, "What makes it so special is that it is the first true celestial Baedeker and not just another "cold" catalogue of mere numbers and data. Like the original Baedeker travel guidebooks of the last century, this work is full of colorful commentary on the highlights of the heavenly scene and heavily influenced several subsequent works of its type, even to the present day. ... It is in the descriptive material that Smyth is a delight. He not only describes what the user of a small telescope will see, but also includes much fascinating astronomical, mythological, and historical lore. Many of these descriptions are especially valuable for the novice and user of small telescopes of a size similar to Smyth's."
So according to David Malin, blue stars were long believed to exist only in visual double stars. If blue color in stars was believed to exist only in double stars, then this blue color could be considered "a miracle". And if it was the the binary nature of some stars that conferred this wondrous blue color onto one of the components in a binary, why shouldn't there be other amazing colors in double stars, too? Why not lilac? Why not green?After centuries of sky-watching with the unaided eye, no-one had ever described the stars as other than white, yellow or reddish-orange. Some blue stars were known from telescope observations, but they were always members of strongly coloured pairs of visual double stars and were therefore a curiosity.
Commodore Ann, color commentator of the Asterisk*, has spoken about the purple star.MargaritaMc wrote:Do you know - that didn't occur to me?! Duh! Thank you - here is your bouquet.Beyond wrote:Purple star It's probably just a blue star shinning through some red stuff.
Ok, i get to keep them then. Sniff, sniff, sn-a-a-a-a-choo! Things get dusty fast around my place. I don't have dust bunnies, i have dust-ephants.MargaritaMc wrote:Beyond - the flowers were for getting SPICA'S SPANKER!
I'm sure the Admiral would be impressed. And - as he is clearly colour blind - he wouldn't enjoy the flowers.
Margarita
From the Wikipedia link about Admiral Smyth.As President of the Astronomical Club, he was always genial & courteous, ever keeping things in happy order, and by his ready wit and flow of humour compelling the maintenance of good fellowship. He used to fill his pockets with new half-pennies to distribute to any children he met in his daily walks. Whatever he did, he did it with his might. RASoc Obituary.
I'd say no, Margarita. First of all, human eyes really can't detect the red color of emission nebulae, because their wavelength is "too far into the red part of the visual spectrum", where the sensitivity of our eyes is low. If a blue star sits in a lot of nebulosity, it might be "reddened" so that it looks less blue than it really is. It may well look white, maybe even yellowish, as is the case of heavily reddened Rho Ophiuchi, whose blue light is spread out around it in a magnificent blue reflection nebula. The star - or stars, actually - look far yellower than they are, after having "lost" so much of their blue light to the reflection nebula. But they certainly don't look purple.Margarita wrote:
But, would Beyond's idea work, of seeing a blue star through some red emission, and this have given a starter to the idea that lilac stars exist?
I've just posted some salt of the seaBeyond said
Sometimes ya just gotta have a little help from the 'salt' of the sea, no matter where it rolls in from.
That's a neat picture, Ann. The bar has a very full puffy look to it, that i don't recall seeing anywhere else before. Ya think it's pregnantAnn wrote:Honestly, Margarita, I had never heard of the battle of Gataskogen, where this man was captured. Must have slept during my history lessons.
But now that I've googled it, I can see that this battle took place in 1365, so.... NGC 1365?
Ann