Re: APOD: Heavy Black Hole Jets in 4U1630 47 (2013 Nov 20)
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:56 pm
by Beyond
I think that north pole white 'jet' fits the 'composition' link best.
IF the jet had come from the 'south' pole, then it would have fit the 'pack a powerful punch' link best.
Re: APOD: Heavy Black Hole Jets in 4U1630 47 (2013 Nov 20)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:03 am
by Dunionstronomy
This gives me a wacky idea: Quasar-imitative energy apparatus. Is it remotely feasible to consider a possible generator or source of energy using an quasar-imitative physical machine, which is able to draw from a tank dense with energy into an accelerator that acts as a turbine to expel jet-like waves of protons and electrons in order to provide power and energy for lights or machines etc. Perhaps even create a powerful laser to correct telescopic/other discrepancies in Earth's orbit, such as the mission where the Hubble lens discrepancy was fixed many years ago? On a side note, the concept behind the illustration (quasar) is such a baffling notion, predominantly the idea that the jets of energy can escape the event horizon. Although, is it possible for the rotation of a disk centered around the massive gravity of a singularity to gain enough momentum to travel faster than the speed of light? This does not make physical sense, although it seems possible, since light cannot escape the singularity beyond the event horizon. For this reason, shouldn't the gravitational pull of the singularity be able to accelerate surrounding matter or provide enough force to exceed light-speed?
Re: APOD: Heavy Black Hole Jets in 4U1630 47 (2013 Nov 20)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:15 am
by geckzilla
Dunionstronomy wrote:
This gives me a wacky idea: Quasar-imitative energy apparatus. Is it remotely feasible to consider a possible generator or source of energy using an quasar-imitative physical machine, which is able to draw from a tank dense with energy into an accelerator that acts as a turbine to expel jet-like waves of protons and electrons in order to provide power and energy for lights or machines etc. Perhaps even create a powerful laser to correct telescopic/other discrepancies in Earth's orbit, such as the mission where the Hubble lens discrepancy was fixed many years ago?
...On a side note, the concept behind the illustration (quasar) is such a baffling notion, predominantly the idea that the jets of energy can escape the event horizon.
Although, is it possible for the rotation of a disk centered around the massive gravity of a singularity to gain enough momentum to travel faster than the speed of light? This does not make physical sense, although it seems possible, since light cannot escape the singularity beyond the event horizon. For this reason, shouldn't the gravitational pull of the singularity be able to accelerate surrounding matter or provide enough force to exceed light-speed?
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What gave you that idea? Material from the jets did not cross the event horizon.
Re: APOD: Heavy Black Hole Jets in 4U1630 47 (2013 Nov 20)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:15 am
by ta152h0
where is Rube Goldberg when we need him ?
Re: APOD: Heavy Black Hole Jets in 4U1630 47 (2013 Nov 20)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:26 am
by geckzilla
ta152h0 wrote:where is Rube Goldberg when we need him ?
Here?
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Re: APOD: Heavy Black Hole Jets in 4U1630 47 (2013 Nov 20)
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:18 am
by Beyond
Dem girls don't need a babysitter, they need a cleanup crew
Re: APOD: Heavy Black Hole Jets in 4U1630 47 (2013 Nov 20)
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:29 pm
by Ron-Astro Pharmacist
Ron-Astro Pharmacist wrote:
If photons do have a super-symmetric partner; the photino and that partner is somehow related to dark matter, why couldn’t a black hole be a congregation of dark matter? The ejection of the “non-dark matter” in these relativistic jets is the only thing we can really measure, isn't it?
It's unlikely that there's much dark matter in a polar jet (or falling into black holes) for the simple reason that there's no mechanism to cause dark matter to either lose or gain energy in the vicinity of a black hole. So it wouldn't form a disc, it wouldn't infall, and it wouldn't be subject to the magnetic effects presumably at the heart of the jet formation mechanism.
What jets are made of is known to some extent: definitely electrons, some light nuclei, and now apparently, some heavier nuclei. Nothing exotic, and really, there's no reason to expect anything exotic.
Thanks too Chris (and et al) - With so many objects in the universe we know little of, it's easy to let a little knowledge and your imagination go wild and hypothesize. What gets "ruled out' based on current science helps narrow down the options of what "could be" and it's great to have a "gravity mechanism" to reel one back to Earth to reboot. You're always a good source of gravity.
You're always a good source of gravity. 