Starship Asterisk*

Chris Peterson wrote:

nstahl wrote:Ok I acknowledge finding Higgs, and the details about Higgs, is a Very Big Deal. But dammit they also want to make black holes with that, and while they say they're sure those black holes will then quickly evaporate there's a really, really big downside if they are wrong.

There is no danger. None at all, and the "knowledgeable people" who are concerned are being foolish.

First of all, so what if they create black holes that don't evaporate? They are still just subatomic particles with incredibly tiny masses. They aren't going to absorb other mass, because their event horizons are so small they virtually never intersect with other matter. You need something like hundreds of times the age of the Universe for such tiny black holes to grow to macroscopic diameters.

Second, if the energies produced in the LHC are sufficient to produce microscopic black holes, then we must be surrounded by them- without apparent problem. Because the energies are nothing extraordinary. Cosmic rays of similar or higher energy occur all the time, and occasionally collisions must occur. We're still here, the Universe is still here, there's no evidence of things disappearing into spontaneously created black holes.

wolfspirit72 wrote:Neither place would be far enough away anyways. The moon consumed would also consume us. Mars location would also be bad as it would likely desturb the plantary gravational balance and likely pull us out of our current orbit. Resulting in total human destruction as well...

Beyond wrote:Upper left, 2-nd beam in, between the 2-blue railings. A white shirted arm, face and black vest.

geckzilla wrote:

Beyond wrote:Upper left, 2-nd beam in, between the 2-blue railings. A white shirted arm, face and black vest.

I don't see it.

Beyond wrote:I put a copy of it in paint and tried to draw a line around it, which didn't come out too good, so i went to erase it, and lo and behold, it's easier to see with the white erased part. On the larger of the two magnification settings in APOD, it sure looks like part of a person to me. Partially hidden by the 2-nd beam.

Beyond wrote:

geckzilla wrote:

Beyond wrote:Upper left, 2-nd beam in, between the 2-blue railings. A white shirted arm, face and black vest.

I don't see it.

I put a copy of it in paint and tried to draw a line around it, which didn't come out too good, so i went to erase it, and lo and behold, it's easier to see with the white erased part. On the larger of the two magnification settings in APOD, it sure looks like part of a person to me. Partially hidden by the 2-nd beam.

atlas_cern_900.jpg

nstahl wrote:As the link I used earlier points out, the micro-holes generated by those extremely energetic cosmic rays don't stay around any time at all due to the speed of the rays. I don't know but I presume things generated at the LHC don't necessarily have those kinds of initial velocities.

Chris Peterson wrote:I fail to see how the velocity of a microscopic black hole would impact how long it takes to evaporate. If evaporation is real (as seems likely), it's a function of mass. If evaporation isn't real, there's nothing to make the microscopic black holes go away, regardless of how fast they are moving.

1. If it doesn't evaporate we'd like it to move on before it chews on us.
2. Not relevant to my concern, but if it's moving that fast there would be relativistic effects surely that would from our frame slow down the evaporation

nstahl wrote:

1. If it doesn't evaporate we'd like it to move on before it chews on us.
2. Not relevant to my concern, but if it's moving that fast there would be relativistic effects surely that would from our frame slow down the evaporation

larnold2 wrote:This is the first repeat picture I've seen on APOD (see February 25, 2008 http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080225.html)
Have there been other repeats in the past which I haven't caught?

bystander wrote: http://asterisk.apod.com/viewtopic.php? ... 53#p164653

Sandstone wrote:Actually, this isn't a repeat. Due to the time-space distortions created in the warp field environment, two parallel universes are operating around the LHC, but they are out of synch about 3 1/2 years (something to do with Mercury's orbit and Dyson spheres, I think...) so what we're really seeing is a look at the same moment in two universes, not a repeat picture.

Lostinspace wrote:no beginning, no end, just middles that bend

gemstone205 wrote:Interesting that the pic is actually flipped horizontally. APOD can't be blamed though, it's flipped at the source as well: http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/910381?ln=en
Happy Holidays!

neptunium wrote:

Sandstone wrote:Actually, this isn't a repeat. Due to the time-space distortions created in the warp field environment, two parallel universes are operating around the LHC, but they are out of synch about 3 1/2 years (something to do with Mercury's orbit and Dyson spheres, I think...) so what we're really seeing is a look at the same moment in two universes, not a repeat picture.

And how do you know that space-time distortions are causing a parallel universe to form? The world would be destroyed by now if that were to happen. And can you explain how you know that these "universes" are 3 1/2 years apart in time? What do Mercury's orbit and Dyson spheres have to do with these "universes"? Wouldn't these "universes" have something different seen in "them"