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Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:44 am
by Ann
Yeah, well... Opera and Explorer are the only browsers I have installed, so when something won't work with Opera, then to me it "demands" Explorer.

Ann

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:37 pm
by Star*Hopper
Ann wrote: I use it all the time! Only when something demands Explorer Exploder do I change browsers.

Ann

There - fixed that for ya.

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:43 pm
by Beyond
rstevenson wrote:Friends don't let friends use Explorer. Please define "demands Explorer".

Rob
Aw Rob. said in my best impersonation of mary-tyler-moore Well, at least we both like toroids. That's a 'hole' lot, ya know. :lol:

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 12:52 pm
by orin stepanek
I have Chrome; Explorer; and Firefox! I been thinking about Opera. Why is Explorer so bad? :?

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:17 pm
by jman
FYI Government policy is to make no concessions to terrorist demands.

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:57 pm
by Star*Hopper
Beyond wrote: Aw Rob. ... Well, at least we both like toroids. That's a 'hole' lot, ya know. :lol:
While from Hyannis we have this wholly disconcerting news headline from the donut industry:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... UT_BANDITS?
(I knew you'd want to know)

It was reported elsewhere one of the thugs was seen to smeck his forehead & cry "DOH!"
Local law enforcement officers couldn't be reached for comment due to....well....you know...."busy interviewing the suspects -- those scrumptious, oh-so-delicious suspects".

Those arrested are placing their best hopes for a defense on when it comes to trial, a lack of evidence.

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:59 am
by Beyond
:lol: Were they :Pberry filled :?:

It ain't over till the CAT lady sings

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:14 pm
by neufer
owlice wrote:
Soooo, the little cat was sitting next to me purring and the big cat was curled up on the floor when I hit "play" for this video... and then the little cat could not get off the sofa fast enough and the big cat ended up in the hallway. (I laughed my head off, of course! Poor kitties, but wow, so funny to see their reaction!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis wrote:
<<Toxoplasmosis is a parasitic disease caused by the protozoan Toxoplasma gondii. The parasite infects most genera of warm-blooded animals, including humans, but the primary host is the felid (cat) family. Up to one third of the world's human population is estimated to carry a Toxoplasma infection.

It has been found that the parasite has the ability to change the behaviour of its host: infected rats and mice are less fearful of cats—in fact, some of the infected rats seek out cat-urine-marked areas. This effect is advantageous to the parasite, which will be able to proliferate as a cat could eat the infected rat and later reproduce. The mechanism for this change is not completely understood, but there is evidence that toxoplasmosis infection raises dopamine levels and concentrates in the amygdala in infected mice.

The findings of behavioural alteration in rats and mice have led some scientists to speculate that Toxoplasma may have similar effects in humans, even in the latent phase that had previously been considered asymptomatic. Toxoplasma is one of a number of parasites that may alter their host's behaviour as a part of their life cycle. The behaviors observed, if caused by the parasite, are likely due to infection and low-grade encephalitis, which is marked by the presence of cysts in the human brain, which may produce or induce production of a neurotransmitter, possibly dopamine, therefore acting similarly to dopamine reuptake inhibitor type antidepressants and stimulants.

Correlations have been found between latent Toxoplasma infections and various characteristics:
  • Decreased novelty seeking behaviour
    Slower reactions
    Lower rule-consciousness and greater jealousy (in men)
    Greater warmth, conscientiousness and moralistic behavior (in women)
The evidence for behavioral effects on humans is controversial. No prospective research has been done on the topic, e.g., testing people before and after infection to ensure that the proposed behavior arises only afterwards. Although some researchers have found potentially important associations with Toxoplasma, the causal relationship, if any, is unknown, i.e., it is possible that these associations merely reflect factors that predispose certain types of people to infection. However, many of the neurobehavioral symptoms that are postulated to be due to toxoplasmosis correlate to the general function of dopamine in the human brain, and the fact that toxoplasma encodes the dopamine synthetic enzyme tyrosine hydroxylase enzymes makes it likely that neurobehavioral symptoms can result from infection.

Studies have found that toxoplasmosis is associated with an increased car accident rate in people with Rh-negative blood. The chance of an accident relative to uninfected people is increased roughly 2.5 times.

This may be due to the slowed reaction times that are associated with infection. "If our data are true then about a million people a year die just because they are infected with Toxoplasma," the researcher Jaroslav Flegr told The Guardian. The data shows that the risk decreases with time after infection, but is not due to age. Ruth Gilbert, medical coordinator of the European Multicentre Study on Congenital Toxoplasmosis, told BBC News Online these findings could be due to chance, or due to social and cultural factors associated with Toxoplasma infection. However there is also evidence of a delayed effect which increases reaction times.

Other studies suggest that the parasite may influence personality. There are claims of Toxoplasma causing antisocial attitudes in men and promiscuity (or even "signs of higher intelligence" ) in women, and greater susceptibility to schizophrenia and bipolar disorder in all infected persons. A 2004 study found that Toxoplasma "probably induce a decrease of novelty seeking."

[Studies] suggests that male carriers have shorter attention spans, a greater likelihood of breaking rules and taking risks, and are more independent, anti-social, suspicious, jealous and morose. It also suggests that these men are deemed less attractive to women. Female carriers are suggested to be more outgoing, friendly, more promiscuous, and are considered more attractive to men compared with non-infected controls. The results are shown to be true when tested on mice, though it is still inconclusive. A few scientists have suggested that, if these effects are genuine, prevalence of toxoplasmosis could be a major determinant of cultural differences.>>

It ain't over til the CAT lady knows her T gondii antibody t

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:20 pm
by owlice
neufer, you knew I'd have to love that toxoplasmosis entry; thanks very much for it! Makes me sorry I didn't take parasitology; though I took what I thought was a good amount of clinical microbiology, much of the info you provided via Wikipedia on toxoplasmosis is new to me. Very interesting; thank you!

Re: It ain't over til the CAT lady knows her T gondii antibo

Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:32 pm
by neufer
owlice wrote:
neufer, you knew I'd have to love that toxoplasmosis entry; thanks very much for it! Makes me sorry I didn't take parasitology; though I took what I thought was a good amount of clinical microbiology, much of the info you provided via Wikipedia on toxoplasmosis is new to me. Very interesting; thank you!
Greater warmth, conscientiousness and moralistic behavior :?: :?

Re: It ain't over til the CAT lady knows her T gondii antibo

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:59 pm
by owlice
neufer wrote: Greater warmth, conscientiousness and moralistic behavior
Generally considered good things, yes? (Hmmm... may be better if it were moral behavior, rather than moralistic?)

But why the confused face?

Re: It ain't over til the CAT lady knows her T gondii antibo

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:34 pm
by neufer
owlice wrote:
neufer wrote:
Greater warmth, conscientiousness and moralistic behavior :?: :?
Generally considered good things, yes?

(Hmmm... may be better if it were moral behavior, rather than moralistic?)

But why the confused face?
Do you suffer from Toxoplasma.... and if so what is your Debye length :?:
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MORAL: conforming to a standard of right behavior

MORALISTIC: characterized by a narrow moral attitude
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moralistic_fallacy wrote:
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<<The moralistic fallacy is in essence the reverse of the naturalistic fallacy.

Examples:

Moralistic fallacy:
  • Warfare is destructive and tragic, and so it is not of human nature.

    Eating meat harms animals and the environment, and so no one has physiological use for it.

    Men and women ought to be given equal opportunities, and so women and men can do everything equally well.

Naturalistic fallacy:
  • Warfare must be allowed because human violence is instinctive.

    Veganism is folly because humans have eaten meat for thousands of years.

    Adultery is acceptable because people can naturally want more sexual partners.

An instance of the naturalistic fallacy presumes that what is—or what occurs—forms what ought to be. Thus nature is reasoned a priori as moral. An instance of the moralistic fallacy implies that the undesirable opposes nature. It wrongly presumes that what ought to be — that which is deemed preferable — will have some bearing on what is or what naturally occurs.


Within natural science, an instance of the moralistic fallacy can result in rejection of basic science, whose goal is understanding the natural world, on account of its potential misuse in applied science, whose goal as engineering is the alteration of events. This is a blurring of scientific assessment, a matter assessed within natural sciences like physics or biology, versus significance assessment, a matter weighed in social sciences like social psychology, sociology, and political science, or in behavioral sciences like psychology. Thus one fails to clearly distinguish between epistemological value and practical value.>>

Re: It ain't over til the CAT lady knows her T gondii antibo

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:14 am
by owlice
neufer wrote: Do you suffer from Toxoplasma.... and if so what is your Debye length :?:
If not, can I still have a Debye length?? (Do I want one?)

So women who are infected may be more promiscuous, yet engage in moralistic behavior? :?

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:46 am
by emc
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: It ain't over til the CAT lady knows her T gondii antibo

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:02 pm
by neufer
owlice wrote:
neufer wrote:
Do you suffer from Toxoplasma.... and if so what is your Debye length :?:
If not, can I still have a Debye length?? (Do I want one?)
Do you feel a need to be shielded by mobile charged particles
(or from mobile charged phones) :?:
owlice wrote:
So women who are infected may be more promiscuous, yet engage in moralistic behavior? :?
This has only been demonstrated to be true for female mice.

Re: It ain't over till the fat lady sings

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:45 pm
by Star*Hopper
If it's come to this, rotund chicks & sundry arie notwithstanding.....definitively, it's pretty much over!!
:lol: