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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 3:12 pm
by neufer
apodman wrote:Where's the astronomy?
I'll just dance around that one. :D
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080722.html
apodman wrote:Is an owl-spider like a duck-rabbit?
More like a Joseph Jastrow - Robert Jastrow , actually.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:25 pm
by apodman
makc wrote:here goes the largest (but not crispest) scan I've found:
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still not sure wtf is that
Here's a cropped portion from (warning: link to large file) the URL in the picture at makc's link:

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And here are cropped portions of the bottom border of (warning: link to large file) the same bill from the same scan:

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They appear to be the same part of the same web pattern, only not cut off by the frame around the "1".

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It looks like Treebeard to me:

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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:45 pm
by neufer
apodman wrote:It looks like Treebeard to me
Ent sew!

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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 8:13 pm
by apodman
Say it ent sew!

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:15 pm
by neufer
apodman wrote:Say it ent sew!
I just did!

(Do you mean Szoldless Joe Jastrow? In Israel, Mother's Day
is celebrated on the day that Henrietta Szold died.)
  • --------------------------------------------------------------
    Neufer's Law: Any intelligent talented person who has
    the opportunity to plant a harmless cryptic inside joke
    & also get away with it (e.g., with a valid alibi)
    WILL plant a harmless cryptic inside joke.

    Corollary I: The designers of the US $1 bill did just that...
    but one can only guess at what the joke (or their alibi) was.
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http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/Encyc-102-Owls/ wrote:
<<Due to the city of New York's huge rat problem, the breeding of as many owls as possible was encouraged by successive mayors, until the rats were driven out of sight, or exterminated. By the time the last rat was eaten, New New York was overrun with owls, which were eating anything and everything that they could find, as an alternative to the constant diet of rat, rat, rat. The city has since interrupted its owl-breeding programme, and residents are in the process of evicting the feathered menace to their society. Many people in New New York use owl traps, some prefer to gas them. The best way to eradicate the owl-problem is for residents not to leave food and/or garbage lying around, which comes hard to some (particularly Fry) and has had a detrimental effect on the feeding Schedule of Dr. Zoidberg.>>

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:28 pm
by makc
neufer wrote:
apodman wrote:Is an owl-spider like a duck-rabbit?
More like a Joseph Jastrow - Robert Jastrow , actually.
excellent reply, neufer! how do you even know these people?
apodman wrote:They appear to be the same part of the same web pattern, only not cut off by the frame around the "1".
I think you may be right about this being the same part, but it looks to me like superposition of random arcs
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with nothing special about it.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:51 pm
by neufer
makc wrote:
neufer wrote:
apodman wrote:Is an owl-spider like a duck-rabbit?
More like a Joseph Jastrow - Robert Jastrow , actually.
excellent reply, neufer! how do you even know these people?
JASTROw... what a great ASTROnomy name!

Robert Jastrow used to be on television as often as Carl Sagan (and I've read a few of his books).
Joseph Jastrow was mostly a Google search.
makc wrote:
apodman wrote:They appear to be the same part of the same web pattern, only not cut off by the frame around the "1".
I think you may be right about this being the same part, but it looks to me like superposition of random arcs
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with nothing special about it.
Random arcs of meaninglessness? :roll:

They WEREN'T created by computer, you know!
  • --------------------------------------------------------------
    Neufer's Law: Any intelligent talented person who has
    the opportunity to plant a harmless cryptic inside joke
    & also get away with it (e.g., with a valid alibi [see above])
    WILL plant a harmless cryptic inside joke.

    Corollary I: The designers of the US $1 bill did just that...
    but one can only guess at what their joke (or their alibi) was.
    --------------------------------------------------------------

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:08 am
by Smrtrbytheday
Ok I hope this can clear up the meaning of the owl. The owl is a symbol of the god muloch (I believe that is how you spell it) and is praised by many groups, including the bohemian grove which George bush is a member of. It is also a symbol of secret knowledge, because owls see things in the dark. Symbolistically dark means unknown, or secret. Muloch in it's original meaning is a name meaning "the web does not touch". As you can see on the bill, there is an obvious web pattern. Webs can sometimes mean lies or false knowledge. So let's put all this together. The society that means for this to be here is saying that they see And know secret knowledge and that lies cannot touch them. Thank you for reading this.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:05 pm
by makc
I actually tried to take a better picture of this "owl" but couldn't :(
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One thing is clear, however, that this thing has nothing to do with
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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:42 am
by EbonyTaylor
Wow excellent. Was it implemented already. Own on a dollar bill?

Just a different view of the Dollar.


Regards,

Ebony Taylor Carter

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:02 pm
by wonderboy
bystander wrote:Going with the masonic symbol on the back, I would guess an owl.

Based on the face its just a blob on a note you'd have to guess at what it is. I think its just a continuation of the pattern in my own opinion. Why would they put such a small owl (masonis symbol) on the note when they're bold enough to put the all seeing eye on others. It doesn't make sense.

Go on then, if you know the answer, tell us?

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:13 pm
by neufer
wonderboy wrote:
bystander wrote:Going with the masonic symbol on the back, I would guess an owl.
Based on the face its just a blob on a note you'd have to guess at what it is. I think its just a continuation of the pattern in my own opinion. Why would they put such a small owl (masonic symbol) on the note when they're bold enough to put the all seeing eye on others. It doesn't make sense.
If human being have both the capacity and the opportunity to do something
that's harmless but fun (and get away with it) they probably will do it.
wonderboy wrote:Go on then, if you know the answer, tell us?
I don't know the answer.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:59 pm
by makc
apodman wrote:Where's the astronomy?
euro coin shows europe at a scale that can only be seen from space.

Btw, now when they have Norway in there, it is not fun any more. Penis cancer?

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:59 am
by neufer
makc wrote:
apodman wrote:Where's the astronomy?
euro coin shows europe at a scale that can only be seen from space.

Btw, now when they have Norway in there, it is not fun any more.
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Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:44 am
by owlice
neufer wrote:I don't know the answer.
I do; it's part of the design.* I looked some weeks ago for a source -- I know a definitive one exists online -- but couldn't find it before I grew weary of the search. As much as I would like it to be an owl.... 'tain't. Should be, though! :ssmile:

And what the heck is with the green eye shadow in that YouTube clip?! :shock: (Good dancing, though!)

* ETA: meaning, part of the continuing latticework along the edge. IIRC, that part of the design is not hand engraved, but machine engraved instead. That I can find a source for, but not right now; homework, duty, etc.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:32 am
by neufer
owlice wrote:
neufer wrote:I don't know the answer.
I do; it's part of the design.* I looked some weeks ago for a source -- I know a definitive one exists online -- but couldn't find it before I grew weary of the search. As much as I would like it to be an owl.... 'tain't. Should be, though! :ssmile:
There is also an online source that states that a Stratford butcher
with an illiterate family ( parents, wife AND children :!: )
wrote the works of Shakespeare; I'll bet you believe that fairy tale as well. :roll:

So then:
  • 1) The connection between Athena's owl on the dollar bill
    and ancient Greek coins is just a coincidence?

    2) The connection between Minerva's spider on the dollar bill and
    the interwoven blue & red silk fiber threads is just a coincidence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachne wrote:
<<Arachne was a great mortal weaver who boasted that her skill was greater than that of Minerva, the Latin parallel of Pallas Athena, goddess of crafts. The offended goddess set a contest between the two weavers. According to Ovid, the goddess was so envious of the magnificent tapestry and the mortal weaver's success, and perhaps offended by the girl's choice of subjects (the loves and transgressions of the gods), that she destroyed the tapestry and loom and slashed the girl's face.
  • “Not even Pallas nor blue-fevered Envy \ Could damn Arachne's work. \
    The gold haired goddess Raged at the girl's success, struck through her loom,
    Tore down the scenes of wayward joys in heaven.″
Ultimately, the goddess turned Arachne into a spider.>>
owlice wrote:And what the heck is with the green eye shadow in that YouTube clip?! :shock:
Green-feVERED Envy

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:56 am
by owlice
Conspiracy theories abound in every field of endeavor, I suppose; people see what they want to see. Whatever you wish to believe about the US one dollar bill is okay by me!

Followed any asterisks lately? One might clear up what appears to be a misperception under which you labor! :ssmile:

(Green-feVERED Envy -- oh, that was perfect; kudos!)

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:03 am
by neufer
owlice wrote:Conspiracy theories abound in every field of endeavor, I suppose; people see what they want to see.
Whatever you wish to believe about the US one dollar bill is okay by me!
Living near Washington D.C., myself,
I sometimes want to see a 555' tall Egyptian obelisk...
but then that would be ridiculous! :)

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    Adlington's _The Golden Ass_ (1566) {translation by S. Gasalee}

    Book 10: "then followed another resembling *MINERVA*,
    for she had on her head a shining *HELMET*,
    whereon was bound a garland of OLIVE-branches,
    having in one hand a target or shield: and in the other
    *SHAKING A SPEARE* as though she would fight.
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owlice wrote:Followed any asterisks lately?
One might clear up what appears to be a misperception under which you labor! :ssmile:
    • Miss Perception:
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    "ATHENA's original name simply PALLAS ...
    ... from pallein, signifying *to SHAKE* "
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    ____ William = WilHELM = *HELMET*
    ____ Shake-speare = *PALLAS ATHENA*

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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:22 pm
by owlice
Ah, but the question remains as to whether you read the fine print!

The owl on the Athenian coins is the Little Owl, Athene noctua.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:27 pm
by neufer
owlice wrote:Ah, but the question remains as to whether you read the fine print!

The owl on the Athenian coins is the Little Owl, Athene noctua.
So?

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:38 pm
by owlice
So, they are cute! "Minerva Owl" also brings up the Athenian owl.

Owls have appeared on other money, too, in coinage and on bills (Greek, Canadian, Finnish, etc.). It wouldn't be a disaster if one appeared on US currency; I'm sure people would still use the stuff! :D (Hmmm... wonder if one has; will have to research that.)

To get back to people finding symbolism where they want, here's another example. Oy!

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:59 pm
by neufer
owlice wrote:So, they are cute! "Minerva Owl" also brings up the Athenian owl.

Owls have appeared on other money, too, in coinage and on bills (Greek, Canadian, Finnish, etc.). It wouldn't be a disaster if one appeared on US currency; I'm sure people would still use the stuff! :D (Hmmm... wonder if one has; will have to research that.)
  • Mr. McGuire: I want to say one word to you. Just one word.

    Benjamin: Yes, sir.

    Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?

    Benjamin: Yes, I am.

    Mr. McGuire: Plastics.

    Benjamin: Just how do you mean that, sir?

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:22 pm
by owlice
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Spanish milled dollars ("pieces of eight! pieces of eight!") were legal currency in the US until the mid-1850s or thereabouts.

Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:56 pm
by wonderboy
I think its dark matter :P hahah

Trogloraptor

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:31 am
by neufer
http://www.petridishnews.com/news/researchers-trogloraptor-spider-with-hook-like-claws-found-in-oregon-cave-video/ wrote:

Oregon Cavers Discover Trogloraptor
The Petri Dish | Jessica Lear | Saturday, August 18, 2012

<<According to Our Amazing Planet, scientists have found a new taxonomic family of spiders in the caves of Oregon. This new spider family, which was found in southern Oregon, is only the third new family of spider to be discovered since 1990 and the first to be found in North America since 1890. So far, this new family holds only one species–the newly discovered spider from Oregon. A research team led by Charles Griswald at the California Academy of Sciences has named the species Trogloraptor marchingtoni. The species was named after Neil Marchington of the Western Cave Conservancy who found the spider and gave it to Griswald’s team.

The genus name, trogloraptor, means cave robber, which was chosen in response to the hook-shape of the spider’s legs. Scientists involved in the project believe Trogloraptor marchingtoni uses its hook-like legs to catch insects flying around it. Norman Platnick, a spider expert at the American Museum of Natural History was not involved in the study, but is excited about what it means for his field. “It is just as fascinating to arachnologists as the discovery of a new dinosaur is to paleontologists,” he said.

Griswald said the Trogloraptor marchingtoni is somewhat large at roughly 3 inches, or 8 centimeters, when fully stretched. “When you’re in a cave and it’s dark and there’s only the beam of your head lamp, they look much bigger,” he said. From their research so far, the team believes the spider hangs from a web at the top of a cave, waiting for flying insects to come by. This is only a guess for now though as the few specimens Griswald and his team have collected have not eaten anything.

Past stories of giant spiders in this area have led Griswald and his team to believe there could be more species like this in caves in the western United States. In fact, there may be many more species to discover as these caves have been vastly unexplored. Adding to its uniqueness, Trogloraptor marchingtoni has two rows of teeth, something Platnick said he cannot remember seeing in any other species of spider. The newly discovered spider also has poison glands, but it has not been determined if they are poisonous to humans

New families of spiders can be added to the current list of 111 in a couple of ways, Platnick said. Most of the time, new families are created when scientists studying the species find it is not as closing related to its current family as previously thought. This makes Trogloraptor’s discovery all the more impressive as new spider families are rarely formed when a new species is first identified.>>