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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:29 am
by harry
Hello

Lets think of it this way.

How many neutrinos make up and electron?.

How many electrons make up a quark?

How may quarks make up a Neutron or a proton?

Now! what is the building blocks?

Where is Mass added?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:30 am
by Empeda2
Three quarks to eack proton and neutron - there only stable in certain combinations.

Quarks and Electrons are completely unrelated - electrons are fermions.

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:56 am
by harry
Hello

no!!!!!! all matter and energy are related in one way or another.

Each partical will have its own properties.

But! they share a common origin in the never ending recyclic process.





Have a nice day

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:36 pm
by Empeda2
Sorry Harry, yes you're correct in what you say, I meant they are not related in the sense that one is not made out of the other.

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:58 pm
by S. Bilderback
Most people use the String Theory to explain the minimal makeup of the universe.
The string theory also can explain the "Non-conservation" of mass and energy seen in accelerometers. To make a long story short, total mass/energy are not always conserved in atomic collisions, small amounts of mass/energy may be lost in the initial collision but second to minutes later a "Phantom Partial" can appear in the detector out of nowhere. It is believed that energy was temporarily pushed into one of the non-perceivable dimensions. This opens a whole new can of worms I'll get into later when I have more time.

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:54 pm
by nickwright
agree with you.
But! neutrinos have three charges + , - AND NEUTRAL.
As a matter of opinion.
If an object has charge and size don't you think it may have mass.
do neutrinos have a charge? an electrical charge? i don't think they do.

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:44 pm
by Empeda2
No, they're a chargeless, possibly massless, particle (hence the name!). Usually when you talk about neutrinos you're referring to the electron neutrino.

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:04 pm
by nickwright
so they don't have a charge

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:21 pm
by Empeda2
No they don't - don't quite know where Harry got all those charges from!

Supersymmetry suggests that there are lots of 'inos', this is a possibility for the strange dark matter. I believe (I mentioned in a previous post) that the theorectical photino (photons' 'ino') would be stable in an ingalactic space environment... but who knows eh?! :wink:

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:14 am
by DogsHead
Hi all, long time listener, first time poster. Love your work and happy to see people discussing science without having to do so through a wad of PHDs and so forth (with, of course a deferential nod and tug 'o forelock to those of you who possess same)
I just wanted to know what the gathering thought (I guess you saw it when it came out, but I was reminded of it when reading this article "Mini-galaxies may reveal dark matter stream" in NS) of the claim that dark matter has been definitavely detected.
New Scientist wrote: Astronomers detect the Universal web
article linky hereThat was in 2002 - has there been refutation of this?

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:45 am
by S. Bilderback
I've seen the topic but I haven't read this article - yet, looks interesting. I'll let you know what I think once I finish (spare time is short).

Refutation? It's hard to find anything that isn't being refuted by someone.

And welcome Dogshead!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:16 am
by harry

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:45 am
by nickwright
Does a Neutrino have mass ?
Does it have a charge?
Can it be neutral?
Current thinking is that neutrinos must have mass to show the oscillations that have been observed, so yes neutrinos have mass.

Neutrinos don't have electric charge, they are neutral particles (if they had a charge they'd be a hell of a lot easier to detect!!!!).

Can it be neutral? Yes.

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:15 am
by harry
OK

Some say they have Mass
others say they do have a left and right spin and a neutral charge

I think we will have to wait for more tests and with lots of salt.

By next year with more tests they will probably re-define the neutrino.

I think they do have mass and have different spins meaning a negative a a positive charge. If the problem is deducing the spin than a neutral charge.

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:55 am
by nickwright
It is very likely they'll have spin as all particles do, but thats no indication that they'll have electrical charge. I'll tell you now it is physically impossible for the neutrino to have a charge - PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:12 pm
by Empeda2
Don't think you're understanding spin there Harry - you don't get left/rigth spin, you have spin values of 0, 1/2 and 1 and multiples of....

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:10 am
by harry
If its physically impossible for a neutrino not to have a charge than it has no mass.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:51 am
by S. Bilderback
A neutron has no charge and yet has a mass. A neutron is a formation of 3 quarks, a neutrino is much much smaller than a quark, it is also much smaller than an electron, a neutrino's size scale is so small they can pass right through atoms and only about one in 10 X 10^28 will knock one low energy photon from the atom.

It's true that all matter can be expressed in eV, (electron volts: E=MC^2), that is not the same as having a charge; a charge is the interaction (attraction and repulsion of particles) by the electro-magnetic differential between them.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:56 pm
by harry
Bilderback

I think you maybe right.

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:29 pm
by S. Bilderback
I think you might be getting it! :D

Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:26 am
by harry
smile,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i get some sometimes.

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:55 pm
by S. Bilderback
I found this site to be interesting.

http://www.cfht.hawaii.edu/News/Lensing/#IC

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:04 am
by harry
I read that link, it is so boring. They speak of early universe and expanding universe it is double dutch.

I have emailed the writer of the link to confirm some issues


Have a Nice Day

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:50 am
by nickwright
i thought it was a very interesting article, there are some good results coming from dark matter lensing approaching too.

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:29 pm
by Empeda2
harry wrote:I read that link, it is so boring. They speak of early universe and expanding universe it is double dutch.

I have emailed the writer of the link to confirm some issues
Is it boring because it contradicts your philosophy? And from he who always speaks of keeping his mind open.... :?