stella core

S. Bilderback · Post by **S. Bilderback** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:47 pm

What about the chicken and the egg syndrome, Fe needs to be created in a massive star but then the massive star could not exist with out Fe.

Aqua · Post by **Aqua** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:35 am

harry...

Try this: http://web.umr.edu/~om/report_to_fcr/report_to_fcr1.htm

harry · Post by **harry** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:58 am

hello aqua

your link: http://web.umr.edu/~om/report_to_fcr/report_to_fcr1.htm

is very interesting.

Bilderback your chicken and the egg,,,,,,,,,,,,smile the egg came first.

Aqua i will come back to your link later. I need sleep

BMAONE23 · Post by **BMAONE23** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:48 pm

If the egg came first, who laid it? If the Chicken came first, Who created it?

harry · Post by **harry** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:24 am

We know that the core of the sun and blcakholes is extremely dense. How dense is the issue.

Under these extreme conditions quaks and what ever are compacted in such a way that makes them normal to be under those conditions.

Some say it takes a number of solar units to create a black hole. Lets say two for calaculations.

Solar units less than the critical number do not have an event horizon. So that at the external surface lose the forces to keep the quaks stable. Thus quaks come together at the external surface forming neutrons. Giving rise to a neutron core as we see it.

harry · Post by **harry** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:56 am

Hello BMAONE23

Why the egg.?

Because the egg evolved first before multicellular animals or plants.

The egg diversified and evolution tells the rest of the story.

Someone asked me How many times can an atom be compacted if it was broken down to lets say quaks.

The answer is about 30,000,000,000,000,000,000
Imagine if matter is able to be compacted so many time.
Imagine the extreme gravitational and electromagnetic forces created.
Imagine the extreme heat.

This type of zone creates a very stable area for quaks to remain stable.

Create a high density plasma like that and you have the core of a sun a the plasma of black holes.

The plasma gives the sun billions of years of stabilty and energy. How do you theink the sun can release so much and energy. It has two form of energy one from the core the other secondary is fusion.

FieryIce · Post by **FieryIce** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 3:32 pm

Harry, you know these things to be fact! What is your work? Or just quoting others?

You may have evolved from primordial soup and ooze, but I sure as hell didn't.

BMAONE23 · Post by **BMAONE23** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:36 pm

Harry,
You sure are great for spawning discussions.

. Just a curiosity on the Egg subject though:

Bird eggs are hard shelled and require an incubation period to hatch. If the egg gets cold, the embryo will perish.

If the bird egg came first, who laid it and who incubated it?

If the bird was created first (even thru gradual evolution) it would become a chicken prior to laying a chicken egg.

harry · Post by **harry** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:44 am

Who am I

Scientist,,,,, evolutionist,,,,cosmologist

As for the egg, stop thinking within the egg. Man puts his own emotional thoughts and locks and traps himself like a shell around an egg.

Relax and break the shell of knowldge around you by keeping an open mind.

Life started on this planet some 3 to 4 billion years ago first as a non cellular type of replicating type of living thing. Than the cell evolved with all its parts than these cells formed colonies and eventually created the worm like and colonial multycellular living organism. Than the shell fish animals and so forth. But! the egg had to evolve first before any other multycellular animals, for without the egg being evolved nothing would come second base or third base and Abbot and Costello would not have their scene.

The chicken and all the animals came second base,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, smile

FieryIce · Post by **FieryIce** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:49 am

Well Harry, you have all the bases covered and you have it all figured out. Henceforth I am officially resign from forum posting, I am out of here.
Good Luck

Brushes the dust off her sandals, exits.

harry · Post by **harry** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:27 am

Hello Fiery Ice

Smile,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in no way have i got the bases covered.

It is sad to see you go.

It was nice talking to you

Have a nice day

Empeda2 · Post by **Empeda2** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:50 pm

It is difficult to say if you can compact quarks (notice the 'r'!) as they are very unstable. You fail to mention anything about the colour or strong nuclear force which would be very important in such a contraction.

harry · Post by **harry** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:58 am

Hello empeda2

Neuclear strong forces.

As for color, the closest color would be from a star that has shed its shell.

Think of it this way. It behaves like a giant neucleus fully compacted to boot. Would somelse like to calculated how many atoms hydrogen can fit in its own volumn.

BMAONE23 ,,,smile,,,,,,,,thats the name of the game. Would you like me to be a yes man.

Have a nice day

Empeda2 · Post by **Empeda2** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:26 am

I was talking about the colour force not the colour of the star.

harry · Post by **harry** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:06 am

ooops sorry empeda2

Empeda2 · Post by **Empeda2** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:35 pm

he he... it's all good!

Aqua · Post by **Aqua** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:13 pm

It just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser...

http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1635_1.asp

harry · Post by **harry** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:34 am

and it keeps going, see this link http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1627_1.asp
and than go to the topic for dicussion on Magnetar.

harry · Post by **harry** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:52 am

I Thought this maybe of interest

Huge Quake Cracks Star

Astronomers have found the first evidence of cracks in a neutron star's crust. The star cracked when it was rocked by the strongest "starquake" ever recorded, researchers said last week.

Last December, astronomers worldwide monitored the explosion that caused this starquake. The eruption was huge – in the first 200 milliseconds of the event the star released energy equivalent to what our Sun produces in 250,000 years. It was the brightest explosion ever detected outside of the Milky Way.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... acked.html

Look for magnetars

Have a nice day

harry · Post by **harry** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:12 am

Hello Empeda2

Star core

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/n ... 31203.html

It discusses the mass of a tea spoon being billions of tons or so.

Neutrons being compacted ever so close.

If this is the case the potential compaction is so great.
30,000,000,000,000,000,000 or so.
This compaction has enough potential energy to last for billions of years.
Fusion cannot exist within this compaction but on the surface of the core of the star. This is why I think the core has two parts. An inner and outer.

Empeda2 · Post by **Empeda2** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:27 pm

Yes but neutron stars are dead cores - there is no fusion occuring in around or near a neutron star. The star is compressed by gravity, but this isn't strong enough to overcome neutron degeneracy, if it were it would collapse into a black hole...

You seems to be a little confused with regard to stellar evolution....

harry · Post by **harry** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:13 pm

Maybe I'm missing the point

Please explain star process

All the info I have says that I'm on track.

Keep smiling

Merry Xmas to all

Empeda2 · Post by **Empeda2** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:30 pm

Merry Xmas to you to Harry!

What I mean is that you've got your protostars and young stars, then you've got your main sequence stars and then you've got your 'dead' stars (with a few steps inbetween but that's the general line...).

White Dwarfs, Neutron Stars, Black Holes etc... are all 'dead' stars - i.e. no fusion.

There's no reason why a main sequence star should have a hyperdense core comparable to neutron stars as gravity is balanced by the nuclear process (hydrostatic equlibrium - http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics ... brium.html

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gordhaddow · Post by **gordhaddow** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:56 pm

Finally some real math! Only 1 potential loophole here; the function they use to integrate pressure/density [13] assumes smooth integratability, based on the gas model. Plasma doesn't always allow that assumption, and the 'Iron Sun' postulate operates from an assumption that there can be discontinuities between plasma layers as concrete as earth's Mohorovicic Discontinuity. Can plasma physicists prove or disprove this conclusively yet? I haven't found anything either way, but that 1% truth can be elusive.
I have always 'placed all of my faith in skepticism', which puts a large burden on the 'proof' (and on me, to accumulate the background to understand the 'proof'). I have a real problem with constant repetition of anything without any real proof; 'it doesn't matter how often you say it, or how loudly you can shout it, it DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE'. This becomes more important when you consider it in the light of craterchains' signature "It's not what you know............" (btw, the correct attribution of that should be 'Artemus Ward=Charles Farrar Brown, 1834-1867'). Enough ranting - it's all food for thought.

harry · Post by **harry** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:02 am

Nice logic goodhaddow, niceeeeeeeeeeeee

Empeda2
Read your link
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics ... brium.html

I do not agree. For now I have not got the time to think let alone sleep.

Oh!! Neuton stars and Black Holes are not dead stars. Quite the opposite.

Merry Xmas