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by APOD Robot » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:06 am
A Double Eclipse of the Sun
Explanation: Can the Sun be eclipsed twice at the same time? Last Friday was noteworthy because part of the Earth was treated to a rare
total eclipse of the Sun. But also on Friday, from a
part of the Earth that only saw part of the Sun eclipsed, a second object appeared simultaneously in front of the Sun: the Earth-orbiting
International Space Station. Although
space station eclipses are very quick -- in this case only 0.6 seconds, they are
not so rare. Capturing
this composite image took a lot of planning and a little luck, as the photographer had to dodge a series of third objects that kept,
annoyingly, also lining up in front of the Sun:
clouds. The
above superposed time-lapse sequence was taken from
Fregenal de la Sierra in southern
Spain. The dark disk of the Moon dominates the lower right, while the
Sun's textured surface shows several
filaments and, over an edge, a
prominence.
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by Nitpicker » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:20 am
Mister Legault has produced a number of amazing ISS transit images over the years. This is another. Makes me wonder if the people aboard the ISS had a chance to view the eclipse at all, however briefly? Do they even have windows pointing away from the Earth?
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by bystander » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:59 am
Nitpicker wrote:
Mister Legault has produced a number of amazing ISS transit images over the years. This is another. Makes me wonder if the people aboard the ISS had a chance to view the eclipse at all, however briefly? Do they even have windows pointing away from the Earth?
Solar Eclipse From the International Space Station
Expedition 43 Flight Engineer Samantha Cristoforetti took a
series of photographs of the March 20, 2015 solar eclipse from the International Space Station. Cristoforetti wrote, "Orbital sunrise and the #SolarEclipse... could it go any better?" ...
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by Nitpicker » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:21 am
Thanks bystander.
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by Guest » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:25 am
I'm having a difficult time proving this alignment happened. Where was ISS Mar 20 2015 9:20 UT?
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by Boomer12k » Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:52 am
I don't call a transit an eclipse.... When Venus transits the Sun, we don't say eclipse.....
I would say a transit, and eclipse.... Eclipse is a more vast blocking of the object..... Occultation, would also be an eclipse.... But it is the total blockage from view....and we don't say, eclipse...
Still a great and interesting photo...
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by eaglekepr » Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:21 am
Guest wrote:I'm having a difficult time proving this alignment happened. Where was ISS Mar 20 2015 9:20 UT?
Somewhere other than this photo. Using Stellarium and the location given, these photos were taken at 09:06:13/14 UTC. All three objects were aligned to match Mr. Legault's result.
![Image](http://www.eaglekepr.com/pictures/isseclipse.jpg)
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by Nitpicker » Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:06 am
Guest wrote:I'm having a difficult time proving this alignment happened. Where was ISS Mar 20 2015 9:20 UT?
The ISS is directly above the Earth (and the Sun and the Moon) at all times.
According to Mr Legault's page (available from the APOD caption) --
http://www.astrophoto.fr/eclipse-iss-20150320.html -- the transit happened at 09:05:04 UT. The timing can be quite sensitive to observation location on Earth (and also the ISS boost schedule, see:
https://www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx).
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by Nitpicker » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:29 pm
Boomer12k wrote:I don't call a transit an eclipse.... When Venus transits the Sun, we don't say eclipse.....
I would say a transit, and eclipse.... Eclipse is a more vast blocking of the object..... Occultation, would also be an eclipse.... But it is the total blockage from view....and we don't say, eclipse...
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Maybe a transit and two eclipses? The ISS transits across the face of the partially visible Sun, but is also eclipsed as it passes through the Moon's shadow.
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by songwriterz » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:35 pm
Looks more like the TIE fighter vanguard of an Imperial invasion to me.
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by Tszabeau » Sun Mar 22, 2015 2:28 pm
Ssshhhh... the Moon is catching some zzzzzzzzzs.
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by jalfano » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:21 pm
Thank you to the writers for the link to the word "clouds" - the Joni Mitchell video (Both Sides Now, live 1970) was extremely nice.
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by ta152h0 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:05 pm
there is an equally powerful " advice " in the form of music , by Phil Collins, " Both Sides of the Story "
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by Guest » Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:22 pm
Why do the ISS images not line up?
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by Nitpicker » Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:21 pm
Guest wrote:Why do the ISS images not line up?
Line up with what?
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by Chris Peterson » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:30 am
Guest wrote:Why do the ISS images not line up?
Are you suggesting that the path of the ISS isn't straight? If so, you're probably seeing some kind of optical illusion based on all the different shapes. When I load the image in Photoshop and draw a ruler line along the path, no ISS image deviates from that line by more than a pixel or two, which is easily explained by typical daytime seeing distortion.
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by Ludo » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:42 pm
More interestingly for me, I'd like to see more photos from the ISS looking at Earth during the eclipse..
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by ta152h0 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:47 pm
and comets
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by Ludo » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:20 pm
Thanks Geck for the swift reply. I've seen those but I sort of expected more from different angles given their large field of view. That one penumbra shot also intrigues me since the skies were clear over Norway where the eclipse was total. Although.. thinking a bit more about it I guess the umbra's "trail" could've passed through the arctic where the shot would've been more plausible.
Any clues on where that umbra was exactly?
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by Chris Peterson » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:45 pm
Ludo wrote:Thanks Geck for the swift reply. I've seen those but I sort of expected more from different angles given their large field of view.
Their field isn't as large as you might think. The horizon is only a couple thousand kilometers away, and you can only see reasonable detail for probably six or seven hundred kilometers. They could easily have missed the eclipse completely.
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by alter-ego » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:45 am
Chris Peterson wrote:Ludo wrote:Thanks Geck for the swift reply. I've seen those but I sort of expected more from different angles given their large field of view.
Their field isn't as large as you might think. The horizon is only a couple thousand kilometers away, and you can only see reasonable detail for probably six or seven hundred kilometers. They could easily have missed the eclipse completely.
Yes, throughout the entire 4-picture sequence (From ISS and the transit), the umbra was not yet visible. However, if the ISS ran 15 minutes later, it would crossed the terminator right on the edge of the emerging umbra. I made a composite in Google Earth showing the ISS orbital positions for each of the four pictures. Even on the 2nd pass, ISS totally missed the penumbra. Commenting on the Earth picture taken at 9:01, the umbra would not have been visible for about another 10 minutes. The visible shadow must be some shadow gradient nearing inner penumbral edge.
![Google Earth, ISS Orbit and Solar Eclipse.JPG (147.67 KiB) Viewed 8607 times Google Earth, ISS Orbit and Solar Eclipse.JPG](./download/file.php?id=17419&t=1&sid=b46c558c2bd1dcb438a866288795a38f)
Nitpicker wrote:Guest wrote:I'm having a difficult time proving this alignment happened. Where was ISS Mar 20 2015 9:20 UT?
The ISS is directly above the Earth (and the Sun and the Moon) at all times.
According to Mr Legault's page (available from the APOD caption) --
http://www.astrophoto.fr/eclipse-iss-20150320.html -- the transit happened at 09:05:04 UT. The timing can be quite sensitive to observation location on Earth (and also the ISS boost schedule, see:
https://www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx).
I found the timing of 9:05:04 is indeed duplicated by Stellarium when the correct TLE set (and maybe Stellarium version?) is used.
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by geckzilla » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:08 am
Cool graphic, alter-ego. I've tried doing something similar with Google Earth before and found it is not as easy as it looks. It's fun to try to place the camera at ISS altitude and see how close it is to Earth. People imagine that you can see the whole planet from up there but the orbit is actually close enough that is impossible.
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by alter-ego » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:22 am
geckzilla wrote:Cool graphic, alter-ego. I've tried doing something similar with Google Earth before and found it is not as easy as it looks. It's fun to try to place the camera at ISS altitude and see how close it is to Earth. People imagine that you can see the whole planet from up there but the orbit is actually close enough that is impossible.
Thank you, geck.
You're absolutely right. As has been pointed out before, ISS horizon is around 1400 miles (radius). The CalSky picture shows the ISS position when the penumbral picture was taken (9:01UT). The deformed egg-shape (cyan) surrounding the ISS is the nominal visible horizon.
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