APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov 01)

[Caesariatus]

Shouldn't that be "Frustratus"? From frustrari.

[Psnarf]

Got me! I should have read the caption before trying to figure out what's up with that.
There's a red monster reminiscent of the one in "Forbidden Planet" that I was going to highlight before learning it's all smoke and mirrors.

[Beyond]

Just think of it as 'special' effects, just like the monster of the id.

[Ron-Astro Pharmacist]

Gee, thanks Ann. Now I'm stuck at the bottom of a very deep Mandelbrot hole, with a bad case of Mandelbrotitis

You've got to love the good natured kidding this site. Maybe you can just change your "Beyond" quote for today "just slightly" in light of our Scandinavian friends??

[neufer]

There's a red monster reminiscent of the one in "Forbidden Planet" that I was going to highlight before learning it's all smoke and mirrors.

Just think of it as 'special' effects, just like the monster of the id.

[b][color=#0000FF]“[i]I no longer believe that… the actor from Stratford was the author of the works that have been ascribed to him. Since reading Shakespeare Identified by J. Thomas Looney, I am almost convinced that the assumed name conceals the personality of Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford… The man of Stratford seems to have nothing at all to justify his claim, whereas Oxford has almost everything.[/i]”[/color] - Sigmund Freud (1856-1939)[/b]

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<<The structure of the personality in psychoanalytic theory is threefold. Freud divided it into the id, the ego, and the superego. Only the ego was visible or on the surface, while the id and the superego remains below, but each has its own effects on the personality, nonetheless.

The id represents biological forces. It is also a constant in the personality as it is always present. The id is governed by the "pleasure principle", or the notion of hedonism (the seeking of pleasure). Early in the development of his theory Freud saw sexual energy only, or the libido, or the life instinct, as the only source of energy for the id. It was this notion that gave rise to the popular conception that psychoanalysis was all about sex, sex, sex. After the carnage of World War I, however, Freud felt it necessary to add another instinct, or source of energy, to the id. So, he proposed thanatos, the death instinct. Thanatos accounts for the instinctual violent urges of humankind. Obviously, the rest of the personality would have somehow to deal with these two instincts. Notice how Hollywood has capitalized on the id. Box office success is highly correlated with movies that stress either sex, violence, or both.

Aspects of adult behavior such as smoking, neatness, and need for sexual behavior were linked to the various stages by fixation. To Freud, fixation is a measure of the effort required to travel through any particular stage, and great efforts in childhood were reflected in adult behavior. Fixation can also be interpreted as the learning of pattens or habits. Part of the criticism of psychoanalysis was that fixation could be interpreted in diametrically opposite fashion. For example, fixation in the anal stage could lead to excessive neatness or sloppiness. Neil Simon's play, "The Odd Couple", is a celebration of anal fixation, with Oscar and Felix representing the two opposite ends of the fixation continuum (Oscar-sloppy, Felix-neat).>>

A psychoanalytic study of Edward de Vere's The Tempest. by Waugaman RM.
J Am Acad Psychoanal Dyn Psychiatry. 2009 Winter;37(4):627-43. doi: 10.1521/jaap.2009.37.4.627.

Abstract: <<There is now abundant evidence that Freud was correct in believing Edward de Vere (1550-1604) wrote under the pseudonym "William Shakespeare." One common reaction is "What difference does it make?" I address that question by examining many significant connections between de Vere's life and The Tempest. Such studies promise to bring our understanding of Shakespeare's works back into line with our usual psychoanalytic approach to literature, which examines how a great writer's imagination weaves a new creation out of the threads of his or her life experiences. One source of the intense controversy about de Vere's authorship is our idealization of the traditional author, about whom we know so little that, as Freud noted, we can imagine his personality was as fine as his works.>>

[Beyond]

Thanks neufer. I didn't know The Odd Couple show was related to the 7th planet.

[Beyond]

Gee, thanks Ann. Now I'm stuck at the bottom of a very deep Mandelbrot hole, with a bad case of Mandelbrotitis

You've got to love the good natured kidding this site. Maybe you can just change your "Beyond" quote for today "just slightly" in light of our Scandinavian friends??

Being somewhat 'dense' at times, I'm not getting your meaning. But as for my signature, i hate to mess with perfection.

[Chris Peterson]

You've got to love the good natured kidding this site. Maybe you can just change your "Beyond" quote for today "just slightly" in light of our Scandinavian friends?? :)

Being somewhat 'dense' at times, I'm not getting your meaning. But as for my signature, i hate to mess with perfection. :lol2:

Perfection would add: but if you reach the fringe, you've gone too far.

[Ron-Astro Pharmacist]

Being part Scandinavian but not quite fair-haired I might get away with this. "To Find the Truth, You Must go Blonde" came to mind. We all have our days and today's APOD got me I must admit.

[Beyond]

Being part Scandinavian but not quite fair-haired I might get away with this. "To Find the Truth, You Must go Blonde" came to mind. We all have our days and today's APOD got me I must admit.

Ah! Good one, that.

[Beyond]

Perfection would add: but if you reach the fringe, you've gone too far.

Au contraire, O' star gazing wise Abominable one . When you've reached the fringe, you know that you're about to get somewhere. It's just a matter of going through and not getting lost in it's meanderings.

[geckzilla]

You've failed that matter, Beyond. We're trying hard to steer you back on track, though.

[treBsdrawkcaB]

This would have been a great post for the April first entry!

[Beyond]

You've failed that matter, Beyond. We're trying hard to steer you back on track, though.

Aww, you're such a dear. Have a hug . Have two hugs. You can share one with Pat.

[geckzilla]

That awkwardness thing, Beyond? It's not good. You should try to be less awkward in the future. For your own sake. It's a very bad idea to hug an ill-tempered lizard.

[Beyond]

I try not to get close to ill tempered anything's. That's why i sent the smilie. It's arms are a l--o--t longer than they look in this limited posting space.

[neufer]

[b][color=#0000FF]And as for hugging Pat[/color][/b]

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It's a very bad idea to hug an ill-tempered lizard.

Especially one:

• 1) with nearly five hundred thousand keratinous hairs on each extremity
  
  2) who might decapitate you in your sleep.

[Anthony Barreiro]

This would have been a great post for the April first entry!

.treB sknahT

(Mercury retrograde is conjuncting the Sun in tropical Scorpio today, so it makes perfect sense that this apod would appear five months early. Or seven months late.)

[Boomer12k]

When you can't see stars and nebula...now you can make your own....

Creator of your own Universe!

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[Guest]

Shouldn't that be "Frustratus"? From frustrari.

[JohnD]

Is this an Anti-April Fool?
Sort of slow-news day?
JOhn

[geckzilla]

Is this an Anti-April Fool?
Sort of slow-news day?
JOhn

If you think just a little bit about it and perhaps read some of the rest of the thread, you might figure it out.

[ta152h0]

that was a quick trip to April 1st, two of them in one year

[neufer]

that was a quick trip to April 1st, two of them in one year

The Smoke Nebula is a few light-nanoseconds from planet Earth so you have to account for time delay.

[Ann]

Göran Strand has just posted another image here at Starship Asterisk. It may be more "truly astronomical" then the Smoke Nebula in Frustrarius, but it looks like something out of the Wizard of Oz!

Ann