APOD: NGC 4372 and the Dark Doodad (2013 Jan 31)

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APOD: NGC 4372 and the Dark Doodad (2013 Jan 31)

Post by APOD Robot » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:06 am

Image NGC 4372 and the Dark Doodad

Explanation: The delightful Dark Doodad Nebula drifts through southern skies, a tantalizing target for binoculars in the constellation Musca, The Fly. The dusty cosmic cloud is seen against rich starfields just south of the prominent Coalsack Nebula and the Southern Cross. Stretching for about 3 degrees across this scene the Dark Doodad seems punctuated at its southern tip (lower left) by globular star cluster NGC 4372. Of course NGC 4372 roams the halo of our Milky Way Galaxy, a background object some 20,000 light-years away and only by chance along our line-of-sight to the Dark Doodad. The Dark Doodad's well defined silhouette belongs to the Musca molecular cloud, but its better known alliterative moniker was first coined by astro-imager and writer Dennis di Cicco in 1986 while observing comet Halley from the Australian outback. The Dark Doodad is around 700 light-years distant and over 30 light-years long.

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Post by neufer » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:29 am

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Post by BDanielMayfield » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:32 am

Looks like a spaceship had a really bad oil leak! :D
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Post by Ann » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:41 am

Aah, the Dark Doodad in Musca the Fly, with blue Alpha Muscae (at least I think it is Alpha, but I don't have my software here so I can check) and yellowish globular NGC 4372! :D What a nice picture!

Note the generations of stars and possible star formation that we are looking at here. If NGC 4372 is a typical globular, then it is likely 10-12 billion years old. B-type Alpha Muscae may be a few million or at most a few tens of million years old, and the Dark Doodad, who knows, may give birth to one or more baby stars in the future.

It's interesting that the Dark Doodad is so elongated. But then, molecular clouds in the Milky Way, the sites of future star formation, often are.

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Post by ta152h0 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:59 am

hmmmmmm wonder if this is the carpet mr Solomon got a ride on ???? just musing
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Post by alter-ego » Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:21 am

Ann wrote:Aah, the Dark Doodad in Musca the Fly, with blue Alpha Muscae (at least I think it is Alpha, but I don't have my software here so I can check) and yellowish globular NGC 4372! :D What a nice picture!
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Post by Ann » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:12 am

So it's Gamma Muscae! Thanks, alter-ego! :D

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Post by FLPhotoCatcher » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:38 am

Does anyone notice a line of stars parallel to the bottom of the photo? It runs through the bright star there. Am I just seeing things? If it's real, what could have caused it?

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Post by Boomer12k » Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:00 am

Not a Doodad....To me, A Martial Arts Instructor, it looks like a Fantasy Sword you could buy from BudK.com

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Post by K1NS » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:44 pm

You say every one of those tiny dots has planets orbiting around it ? . . . Oh !

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Post by Chris Peterson » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:40 pm

FLPhotoCatcher wrote:Does anyone notice a line of stars parallel to the bottom of the photo? It runs through the bright star there. Am I just seeing things? If it's real, what could have caused it?
I'm not sure what you're seeing (there are lines of stars everywhere), but I'm pretty confident in suggesting that what caused it is your brain. Because that's what our brains do... find patterns.
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Post by Boomer12k » Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:54 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
FLPhotoCatcher wrote:Does anyone notice a line of stars parallel to the bottom of the photo? It runs through the bright star there. Am I just seeing things? If it's real, what could have caused it?
I'm not sure what you're seeing (there are lines of stars everywhere), but I'm pretty confident in suggesting that what caused it is your brain. Because that's what our brains do... find patterns.

Chris, I see what he means...there APPEARS to be two parallel lines of stars, it does look weird, like it is some type of pattern. And it continues to the right, though and past the blue star at the bottom left in the photo. BUT, I think you are correct it is just what our brains latch on to. Like my brain seeing a SWORD, and not just a funny DOODAD of Dust.
FLP....we have a tendency to "connect the dots"...that is why we have Constellations. It does look strange, but they are all through out the photo, lines of stars, above and below the center, as well as other places. I do see it too. But I don't think it is a photo artifact or anything. I also see a man lying on his back looking up....at the stars perhaps??? It is not STARS, but it is the dark spaces in between stars. From the top right of the Doodad, to the left over to the the blue star. We have such fascinating IMAGINATIONS, don't we????

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Post by moonstruck » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:39 pm

Aww...Th Dark Doodad...a name I can finally understand :ssmile:

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Post by Anthony Barreiro » Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:42 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
FLPhotoCatcher wrote:Does anyone notice a line of stars parallel to the bottom of the photo? It runs through the bright star there. Am I just seeing things? If it's real, what could have caused it?
I'm not sure what you're seeing (there are lines of stars everywhere), but I'm pretty confident in suggesting that what caused it is your brain. Because that's what our brains do... find patterns.
Here's an interesting article from CNN about how our brains respond to common artistic illusions.
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Re: APOD: NGC 4372 and the Dark Doodad (2013 Jan 31)

Post by FLPhotoCatcher » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:46 am

Boomer12k wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
FLPhotoCatcher wrote:Does anyone notice a line of stars parallel to the bottom of the photo? It runs through the bright star there. Am I just seeing things? If it's real, what could have caused it?
I'm not sure what you're seeing (there are lines of stars everywhere), but I'm pretty confident in suggesting that what caused it is your brain. Because that's what our brains do... find patterns.

Chris, I see what he means...there APPEARS to be two parallel lines of stars, it does look weird, like it is some type of pattern. And it continues to the right, though and past the blue star at the bottom left in the photo. BUT, I think you are correct it is just what our brains latch on to. Like my brain seeing a SWORD, and not just a funny DOODAD of Dust.
FLP....we have a tendency to "connect the dots"...that is why we have Constellations. It does look strange, but they are all through out the photo, lines of stars, above and below the center, as well as other places. I do see it too. But I don't think it is a photo artifact or anything. I also see a man lying on his back looking up....at the stars perhaps??? It is not STARS, but it is the dark spaces in between stars. From the top right of the Doodad, to the left over to the the blue star. We have such fascinating IMAGINATIONS, don't we????

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Indeed, it is some type of pattern. There is a roughly straight line of stars that look closer together from our perspective. It is real. What caused it?

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Post by DavidLeodis » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:13 pm

I was unsure of what a Doodad is though the word did seem familiar as if it had been used before in an APOD and on searching for Doodad I found the Dark Doodad Nebula was the subject of the APOD of December 8 2008. In the explanation to that it stated "Doodad is slang for a thingy or a whatchamacallit", so now I know! :)

For some reason I'm now mentally singing the "Zip a dee doo dah" song. :)

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Post by owlice » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:51 pm

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Post by DavidLeodis » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:55 pm

owlice wrote:My, oh my, what a wonderful day.
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Post by rstevenson » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:24 pm

FLPhotoCatcher wrote:... Indeed, it is some type of pattern. There is a roughly straight line of stars that look closer together from our perspective. It is real. What caused it?
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It is a pattern. It is not real, in the sense of being an actual line of stars in space. It is "caused" by our brain, as has been explained. Note that this "line" will certainly include stars which are at widely varying distances from us, so that if you moved far enough away from the Earth the line would disappear. But you'd likely see one or more lines elsewhere. Indeed you can see coincidental lines of stars in any picture showing a large number of stars.

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Post by owlice » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:56 am

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Re: APOD: NGC 4372 and the Dark Doodad (2013 Jan 31)

Post by Beyond » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:38 am

zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-a.
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