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Sleeping sun?

Post by orin stepanek » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:01 pm

An article I found while checking out solar activity! 8-)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienc ... _sol58.htm




Waiting for solar fireworks to reach a grand finale next year?



Um..., sorry, looks like you already missed them. Structures in the sun's corona indicate that the peak in our star's latest cycle of activity has been and gone, at least in its northern hemisphere.



The southern hemisphere, meanwhile, is on a sluggish rise to solar maximum and may not hit its peak until 2014.



This bizarre asymmetry strengthens a theory that has been bubbling among sun watchers for the past few years: our star is headed for hibernation. Having the sun's outbursts turned off for a while would provide a better baseline for studying how they influence Earth's climate.



Observations of magnetic footprints called sunspots revealed in the 1800s that the sun moves through a roughly 11-year cycle of activity. Around a solar maximum, the star ramps up production of sunspots, flares and ejections of plasma. During a solar minimum, things quieten down.



Following an unexpectedly deep minimum from 2008 to 2010, solar physicists predicted a weak maximum for 2013. These days, though, sunspots aren't the only tools for charting the solar cycle.



Richard Altrock of the US Air Force Research Laboratory in New Mexico has been studying coronal structures called polar crown prominences, which stem from magnetic rumblings on the sun's surface.



These gaseous filaments form at mid-latitudes at the beginning of a solar cycle.



As it progresses they drift polewards, and when they reach 76 degrees latitude, a solar maximum has arrived. Soon afterwards the prominences disappear, only to form again during the next cycle.



Based on the movements of this cycle's prominences, Altrock says that an especially weak solar maximum took place in the sun's northern hemisphere around July last year (arxiv.org/abs/1209.2969).



Bernhard Fleck, project scientist for NASA's and the European Space Agency's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, calls the paper solid work, but adds that even if we missed the northern maximum, the southern hemisphere is still expected to put on a show.



According to Altrock, the southern prominences are still on the move, but slowly. If they continue at the current rate, he says, the south will not reach its maximum until February 2014.



Such a large asymmetry between hemispheres could be a sign of big changes ahead, says Steven Tobias, a mathematician at the University of Leeds, UK, who models what drives the sun's magnetic field.



According to his models, such a situation precedes an extended quiet phase called a grand minimum.

"Changes in symmetry are more indicative of going into a grand minimum than the strength of the cycle," he says.

Grand minima can last for decades.



The previous one took place between 1645 and 1715, and has been linked to the little ice age in Europe. A new one might also cause localised cold periods, but many climate scientists see a silver lining to such a turn of events: a grand minimum offers ideal conditions for testing the effects of solar variability on Earth's climate (see "Our star's subtle influence").



But Michael Proctor, a solar physicist at the University of Cambridge, is not convinced that this will happen. "This present cycle is similar to the weak one that ended in 1913, and that was followed by a strong cycle," he says.



Only time will tell.
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Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:37 pm

orin stepanek wrote:An article I found while checking out solar activity! 8-)
This bizarre asymmetry strengthens a theory that has been bubbling among sun watchers for the past few years: our star is headed for hibernation. Having the sun's outbursts turned off for a while would provide a better baseline for studying how they influence Earth's climate.
That seems wrong to me. In fact, if the behavior of the Sun changes, that actually adds a variable into the mix, making climate analysis even more difficult. The best thing for climate science would be a well behaved Sun, that acts for at least the near future just as it has in the recent past.
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Re: Sleeping sun?

Post by BMAONE23 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:27 pm

It seems to me that a Sleeping Sun could be beneficial to Climate Research. If the Sun enters a Quiet period lasting 1 or more cycles, it could stand to validate or invalidate the current theory of CO2 being the primary driver of climate change.

If the Sun hibernates for more than an 11 year cycle and the Earth Climate system cools over that period with a still increasing atmospheric CO2 level then Is CO2 really driving the climate?

If however the Sun hibernates for more than an 11 year cycle and temperatures remain stable or continue to rise, the only variable remaining to cause the stabilization or increase is CO2

It could also provide more fuel for the discussion of the GCR vs. Cloud cover hypothesis

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Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:39 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:It seems to me that a Sleeping Sun could be beneficial to Climate Research. If the Sun enters a Quiet period lasting 1 or more cycles, it could stand to validate or invalidate the current theory of CO2 being the primary driver of climate change.
That theory has already been tested, and validated beyond reasonable doubt. It is known that the current change isn't caused by solar activity. If solar activity drops, and we see global temperatures drop as well, it doesn't impact the understanding of greenhouse gas effects, it just demonstrates a previously unknown sensitivity to solar change as well. Certainly, adding another variable makes validating climate models more difficult.
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Re: Sleeping sun?

Post by Beyond » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:12 am

SHEEEEESH :!: :!: The more information about things that comes to light, the more confusing things seem to get. :mrgreen:
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Post by orin stepanek » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:39 pm

I tend to agree that the more variables you add to a problem that the more difficult the solution becomes! :shock: Hopefully emissions to the atmosphere can be reduced!
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Post by BMAONE23 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:04 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
BMAONE23 wrote:It seems to me that a Sleeping Sun could be beneficial to Climate Research. If the Sun enters a Quiet period lasting 1 or more cycles, it could stand to validate or invalidate the current theory of CO2 being the primary driver of climate change.
That theory has already been tested, and validated beyond reasonable doubt. It is known that the current change isn't caused by solar activity. If solar activity drops, and we see global temperatures drop as well, it doesn't impact the understanding of greenhouse gas effects, it just demonstrates a previously unknown sensitivity to solar change as well. Certainly, adding another variable makes validating climate models more difficult.
It could also indicate that the Solar Forcing aspect is far stronger then the GHG forcing on climate.
I think that Climate models might already have been invalidated since none of them predicted the apparent standstill over the last 15 (now 16) years.

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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:50 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:It could also indicate that the Solar Forcing aspect is far stronger then the GHG forcing on climate.
It could, but that wouldn't change our understanding of GHG forcing. However, it would muddy the waters in terms of disentangling all the forcing components in the observational record. I was only objecting to the claim that an unusually inactive Sun would help us understand climate better. I think that a Sun that behaves in the near future as it has in the recent past is what we'd prefer from a purely scientific standpoint when it comes to studying climate. The fewer variables the better.
I think that Climate models might already have been invalidated since none of them predicted the apparent standstill over the last 15 (now 16) years.
Certainly not. There has been no climatic standstill. That time scale corresponds to weather. The most accurate (in terms of past prediction) climate models use 30-year boxcar averages. If you look at the temperature record for the last 150 years, there are several decadal periods of decreased temperatures, yet the long term trend is steadily upwards.

FWIW, there have been several well accepted papers in the last few years that seem to explain the current "standstill" accurately using short term climate/weather models. In fact, our temperature over the last several years lies right in line with the long term increase predicted by standard models. The flatness is an illusion caused by an extremely hot 1998, which itself was caused by an extremely strong El Niño.
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