Datsa lotta balsaneufer wrote:The cargo bay was made for carrying up things which are mostly empty space like the Hubble Telescope.Beyond wrote:
Gee, being the last trip, i would have thought that the cargo bay would have been full of things for the ISS, instead of being half empty.
If the cargo bay was full of balsa wood it would weigh ~ 50 metric tons which is twice maximum payload weight.
APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
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Realize this flight was not in the original plan. It is adding the MPLM as a new module, which was decided only within the last couple years. So there are no other large modules to go up - they have already been installed.Beyond wrote:Gee, being the last trip, i would have thought that the cargo bay would have been full of things for the ISS, instead of being half empty.
Plus, as others said, the MPLM is full of stuff.
The module at the top of the screen appears to be a Soyuz. See image here.zacharia wrote:What is the shadow looking spacecraft? Do you see it looking like its connected to the ISS...anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soyuz-TM_drawing.png
The thing sticking off to the left appears to be an antenna on Soyuz. See the rightmost end of that image. I'm not certain it's an antenna, but I am certain that is the Soyuz.
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/1125 ... t_full.jpg
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
Looks like Long Island and Cat Island in the Bahamas........
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
It is indeed the Bahamas that are below the shuttle. See this Google Maps link to validate this assumption:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s ... 77&t=h&z=9
http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s ... 77&t=h&z=9
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
That's really cute - the space shuttle will be disappearing - its over Bermuda - so is it disappearing into the Bermuda triangle? Is Atlantis disappearing into the ocean... again?
I am sooo sad the space program is winding down. I wonder what the Russians are thinking? Did Capitalism fail less than 20 years after the USSR fell?
I am sooo sad the space program is winding down. I wonder what the Russians are thinking? Did Capitalism fail less than 20 years after the USSR fell?
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
The Bahamas. Long Island,crooked Island, long cay, and near the shuttles left wing is flamingo cay. At the bottom of the photo is nurse cay and bonavista cay. The great Bahama bank is Gooood fishing !!!
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
"Gee, being the last trip, i would have thought that the cargo bay would have been full of things for the ISS, instead of being half empty."
And that's why the Shuttle, despite being a fantastic idea on paper, was less than ideal in practice. The wings, tail, bay doors, etc. are necessary for launch and landing but drastically reduce the amount of payload that can be launched. As far as getting payload to orbit are concerned, they're dead weight. So when (if?) the US ever launches its own manned spacecraft again, we'll probably see capsules rather than maneuverable landers. Now the reusable solid fuel boosters, that's technology we'll keep.
And that's why the Shuttle, despite being a fantastic idea on paper, was less than ideal in practice. The wings, tail, bay doors, etc. are necessary for launch and landing but drastically reduce the amount of payload that can be launched. As far as getting payload to orbit are concerned, they're dead weight. So when (if?) the US ever launches its own manned spacecraft again, we'll probably see capsules rather than maneuverable landers. Now the reusable solid fuel boosters, that's technology we'll keep.
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"Can you identify what land masses are visible below the shuttle? "
Why, yes.....yes I can!
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Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
I see a lot of responses correctly naming some of the easternmost islands in the Bahamas, but one could also mention the Continental Shelf, which is clearly visible.
This is a wonderful image.
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Brilliant! I hadn't thought of that. ... .starchick wrote:That's really cute - the space shuttle will be disappearing - its over Bermuda - so is it disappearing into the Bermuda triangle? Is Atlantis disappearing into the ocean... again?
The space program has always been a government enterprise, and the most ambitious cutting-edge missions will always require the coordinated resources of an entire nation, and increasingly (like the ISS) many nations working together. Russia is now a capitalist society, but the Russian government is maintaining their Soyuz fleet.starchick wrote:I am sooo sad the space program is winding down. I wonder what the Russians are thinking? Did Capitalism fail less than 20 years after the USSR fell?
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You peekedStar*Hopper wrote:
"Can you identify what land masses are visible below the shuttle? "
Why, yes.....yes I can!
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Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
My first guess was The greater Caribbean region, but I got distracted by all those -nesias in the Pacific.
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
Looks like atolls to me, but I don't know which. I'm thinking South Pacific but folks seem confident about the Bahamas. Sailors and pilots in that group?
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I have no idea but I want to go swimming now.
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Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
Some cargo was already um "delivered" over the Bahamas. It was successfully retrieved by a small vessel, I believe it's ship name was "Innocent Fishing Boat". Hey budgets are tight, this should come as no surprise.nGuinn wrote:the payload bay seems to be missing something
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
I think the cargo bay is half full...Beyond wrote:Gee, being the last trip, i would have thought that the cargo bay would have been full of things for the ISS, instead of being half empty.
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
Anyone catch the face looking out the right hand window? Question, as the shuttle is a space ship, would it be called a window or a porthole?
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
I didn't have any doubt it was Italy. When I saw others guessing, I had to wonder if they were looking at the same pic. I double checked & am certain that's the toe of Italy's boot.
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If it is the toe of Italy, we are in big trouble because most of the country is under water.
It is Long Island, the Bahamas.
The nose of the shuttle is pointing at
23°12'20"N 75°16'49"W
check it out in http://Maps.Google.Com
It is Long Island, the Bahamas.
The nose of the shuttle is pointing at
23°12'20"N 75°16'49"W
check it out in http://Maps.Google.Com
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
Land mass is much too narrow to be Italy. It's easy to see that it's the Bahamas if you look at satellite pics from Google maps or Google earth.
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
If that's a face, then that person is a bit of a contortionist! But then, astronauts are fit...Nedchem wrote:Anyone catch the face looking out the right hand window? Question, as the shuttle is a space ship, would it be called a window or a porthole?
Thanks for that superb picture. Looking forward to more of that quality.
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
"instead of being half empty."
Ah, but perhaps it is half full...
Ah, but perhaps it is half full...
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
Thought: If that's a ship, then that face-like shape must be at the starboard porthole.
One serious question: Why have they almost always opened the bay doors early in the mission? Is there a cooling issue, or is there some other reason, such as making a shuttle more visible to observers?
One serious question: Why have they almost always opened the bay doors early in the mission? Is there a cooling issue, or is there some other reason, such as making a shuttle more visible to observers?
Re: APOD: Atlantis Last Approach (2011 Jul 13)
Alternative viewpoints include:Beyond wrote:Gee, being the last trip, i would have thought that the cargo bay would have been full of things for the ISS, instead of being half empty.
The shuttle is half full
The shuttle is twice as large as it needs to be
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The cargo is heavy for it's size.jmOR62 wrote:Alternative viewpoints include:Beyond wrote:Gee, being the last trip, i would have thought that the cargo bay would have been full of things for the ISS, instead of being half empty.
The shuttle is half full
The shuttle is twice as large as it needs to be
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