OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

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OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Post by neufer » Thu May 07, 2009 1:34 pm

OK, puzzlers:
http://www.ehow.com/how_4580997_hidden-messages-money.html wrote:
OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?
A very hotly debated subject is the hidden icon in the upper right-hand corner of the one-dollar-bill (front side).
Some say it’s an Owl, some say it’s a spider – you decide.
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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Post by bystander » Thu May 07, 2009 1:46 pm

Going with the masonic symbol on the back, I would guess an owl.

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Post by neufer » Thu May 07, 2009 1:48 pm

bystander wrote:Going with the masonic symbol on the back, I would guess an owl.
Can you elaborate on that? (What do owls have to do with Masons?)
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Post by bystander » Thu May 07, 2009 2:20 pm

neufer wrote:Can you elaborate on that? (What do owls have to do with Masons?)
The owl is supposedly a Masonic symbol of knowledge or wisdom.

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Post by neufer » Thu May 07, 2009 3:36 pm

bystander wrote:
neufer wrote:Can you elaborate on that? (What do owls have to do with Masons?)
The owl is supposedly a Masonic symbol of knowledge or wisdom.
Did the owl do all that fancy weaving around the frame of the dollar bill;
(not to mention the weaving of tiny blue and red fibers into the paper)?
http://money.howstuffworks.com/counterfeit3.htm wrote:
Paper used for money, on the other hand, is made from cotton and linen fibers. This kind of paper is known as rag paper. There are tiny blue and red fibers mixed into the paper when it is made. These fibers are easy to find in real money, but they are so fine that they do not reproduce very well in the counterfeit money from your inkjet printer.
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Post by bystander » Thu May 07, 2009 3:42 pm

neufer wrote:Did the owl do all that fancy weaving around the frame of the dollar bill;
(not to mention the weaving of tiny blue and red fibers into the paper)?
No, the spider webs must have been spun by the spiders, or is that fishnets?

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Post by The Code » Thu May 07, 2009 3:52 pm

Hunting for the national treasure?

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Post by neufer » Thu May 07, 2009 9:12 pm

mark swain wrote:Hunting for the national treasure?
In search of knowledge wherever it may be found.
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Post by apodman » Thu May 07, 2009 9:19 pm

Image

A crisper picture doesn't look like that at all.

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Post by The Code » Thu May 07, 2009 9:23 pm

That is proper quality...well spotted apodman.... i see it i see it....... nice one..

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Post by neufer » Thu May 07, 2009 9:28 pm

apodman wrote:Image
That's NOT an aurora...it's permanent thunderstorms that WON'T GO AWAY!
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Post by The Code » Thu May 07, 2009 9:43 pm

Could be The White house.... To me it looks like The White House..

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Post by aristarchusinexile » Fri May 08, 2009 2:42 am

apodman wrote:Image

A crisper picture doesn't look like that at all.

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It's a tin headed Martian, differing from the ceramic headed Martians in that the ceramic-headed Martians are pictured on the $3 bill.
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Post by neufer » Fri May 08, 2009 2:48 am

apodman wrote:A crisper picture doesn't look like that at all.

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Thanks, apodman. (Did you do the scan yourself?)

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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Post by apodman » Fri May 08, 2009 3:26 am

Didn't scan this myself. Got it from this link:

http://www.nd.edu/~jstiver/FIN462/The%2 ... 20Bill.ppt

It's a PowerPoint slide show, so you need to have PowerPoint to view it. I cropped the picture from Slide 12.

I examined a few dollar bills with a magnifying glass, and each one has received the ink somewhat differently. While the "Aurora" picture looks to me like an owl in 3/4 profile (tail to our left) with head facing its right (our left) shoulder, the best actual bill I looked at appears more like an owl head (the Aurora or White House and its continuation down to Florida) looking straight at us, with the curvature of the "Earth" as its shoulders in the background. Alternatively, the straight-on owl face is a castle turret (with the eyes and beak becoming windows - the beak window being shaped like a cross) and the shoulders are the hill it's sitting on.

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Post by neufer » Sat May 09, 2009 5:36 pm

apodman wrote: http://www.nd.edu/~jstiver/FIN462/The%2 ... 20Bill.ppt

It's a PowerPoint slide show, so you need to have PowerPoint to view it. I cropped the picture from Slide 12.

I examined a few dollar bills with a magnifying glass, and each one has received the ink somewhat differently. While the "Aurora" picture looks to me like an owl in 3/4 profile (tail to our left) with head facing its right (our left) shoulder, the best actual bill I looked at appears more like an owl head (the Aurora or White House and its continuation down to Florida) looking straight at us, with the curvature of the "Earth" as its shoulders in the background. Alternatively, the straight-on owl face is a castle turret (with the eyes and beak becoming windows - the beak window being shaped like a cross) and the shoulders are the hill it's sitting on.
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. Antony and Cleopatra > Act IV, scene XIV
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MARK ANTONY: Sometime we see a cloud that’s dragonish;
. A vapour sometime like a bear or lion,
. A tower’d citadel, a pendent rock,
. A forked mountain, or blue promontory
. With trees upon ’t, that nod unto the world,
. And mock our eyes with air: thou hast seen these signs?
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http://tinyurl.com/ok7a6t wrote:
> riznetro wrote Vox (Mar 10, 2008):
>>
>> The Owl vs the Spider on the 1 dollar bill is a bunch of bull crap.
>> The "owl" that people think they see at the upper left hand corner of
>> the "1" on the right hand side of the face of the bill has no meaning
>> at all. In fact, it is part of the repetitious web design that borders
>> the rest of the face of the dollar.
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Synkronos23 replied to riznetro’s comment:

> I can absolutely agree with you that this is a bunch of bullcrap. It
> could be just a coincidence where the printing design just happened to
> land. But enough people believe in the owl and spider in the dollar
> and so that is what caught my attention. Did you ever ask yourself why
> they used a web design in a dollar bill? What does spiders and America
> have to do with each other. There are many forms of scrying or seeing
> things in patterns, like reading tea leaves or cloud formations.

> It is a tool to the subconscious. I am more interested in the coincidence
> and the mythology behind these things and the peculiarity that everyone
> seems to see the same thing. My curiosity lies with the people who see
> the owl and the people that see the spider. Does this have some secret meaning?
> Is this an act of suggestion. Why do people think to do this stuff?
> Some people even see a fat man smoking a cigar.
> I also see the star trek enterprise emblem in the European coins.
> That doesn't mean that I believe it was intentionally put there,
> that is just what I see when I look at the coin. I do find it interesting
> that our money system is full of sacred geometry, architecture, art, music,
> astronomy, historic faces, allegory and mythology. Not just our money system
> but the whole world has their own stories and culture embedded in their exchange.
> Europe is named after the incident of Europa being raped by Zeus
> (in the form of a bull) and she gave birth to the minotaur monster.

> She and Bull are represented on their money.
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As is Athena's Owl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetradrachm
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<<An owl, the symbol of Athena, graces this ancient Greek coin
and serves today as the Smithsonian Secretary's badge of office.>>
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http://www.socyberty.com/History/The-Owl-of-Athena-Statue-and-Coin.316407 wrote: The Owl of Athena: Statue and Coin
by thestickman, Oct 27, 2008
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The Athenian Owl tetradrachm

<<Honored in a silver coin (specifically, called a tetradrachm) that
originated from Athens, for over 300 years (approx. 430 – 99 B.C.) the
Athenian Owl coin was accepted everywhere as legal tender for trade
and commerce. It is cited to have had a stabilization effect on the
economy of the known world for it’s far reaching recognition and purity,
uniformity of weight, it’s standard was accepted across borders
much like the U.S. dollar has enjoyed for most of the last century.>>
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_of_Minerva wrote:
<<The owl of Minerva is the owl that accompanies Minerva in Roman
myths, seen as a symbol of wisdom because the owl is capable of seeing
even in the dark and of vigilance because the owl is awake at night.

The nineteenth-century idealist philosopher G.W.F. Hegel famously
noted that "the owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the falling
of the dusk" — meaning that philosophy comes to understand a
historical condition just as it passes away. Philosophy cannot be
prescriptive because it understands only in hindsight. He had
in mind the transition from eighteenth-century feudalism
to nineteenth-century commercialism and democracy.

“One more word about giving instruction as to what the world ought to
be. Philosophy in any case always comes on the scene too late to give
it... When philosophy paints its gray in gray, then has a shape of
life grown old. By philosophy's gray in gray it cannot be rejuvenated
but only understood. The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with
the falling of the dusk.”>> —G.W.F. Hegel, Philosophy of Right (1820), "Preface"
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An "owl," perhaps, but certainly not a "spider."
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<<The Story of Minerva & Arachne (This myth describes the birth of the
spider and its web) Arachne was a very talented young peasant girl who
was an excellent spinner and weaver of wool. Her talent impressed
many, from the water nymphs who traveled from the creeks and rivers,
to the wood nymphs from near forest areas. They would come
and watch her weave the most exquisite tapestries.

One day one of the wood nymphs asked Arachne if she had been blessed
by Minerva with her gift of weaving. (Minerva was the goddess of
weaving and handicrafts.) Arachne laughed at the nymph's remark and
replied, "Minerva has taught me nothing! I've taught myself everything
I know!" She ended her remark with a challenge to Minerva. Arachne
wanted to have a contest to see who should be called 'goddess of the loom.'

The nymphs covered their mouths, frightened to hear such unrespectful
words about the powerful goddess of Mt. Olympus. Minerva herself was
furious when word got back to her about Arachne's challenge. The
goddess immediately went to Arachne's cottage in disguise and hobbled
with a cane to Arachne's home. When Arachne was faced with Minerva she
was shocked and annoyed with the old woman's warnings. Minerva just
stood there shaking her finger at Arachne warning, and scolding her
not to compare herself with the great goddess.

Arachne didn't even begin to take the old woman seriously.
She responded to the old lady, "If Minerva is so great
why doesn't she just come here and show me!?"

"She is here!" boomed a powerful voice, and right before Arachne
the old woman changed into the goddess Minerva.

Arachne quickly became ashamed, yet she never backed down and went
straight toward her doom. "Hello Minerva," Arachne whispered under her
breath. "Do you dare to finally weave against me?" she said, gaining
greater confidence. Minerva just glared at the girl as she walked into
the cottage ready to take up Arachne's challenge. As Minerva entered
the cottage, slaves dashed about setting up two looms. Then Arachne
and Minerva sat down at their looms and began working. Their
fingers flew back and forth as they wove a rainbow of colors.

Minerva wove a tapestry showing the twelve greatest gods and goddesses
of Mt. Olympus. Arachne wove a tapestry showing not only the gods and
goddesses, but their adventures as well. Then she outlined her
tapestry with a magnificent work of flowers with a hint of ivy
so as to not clutter the border.


It was pretty obvious who had done the best work. Arachne's tapestry
was clearly better than Minerva's. They even had the goddess Envy
inspect Arachne's work and even she thought Arachne's tapestry
was beautiful and flawless.

Minerva lost her temper with Envy's words. The goddess tore Arachne's
tapestry and then started hitting Arachne mercilessly until Arachne
crawled away barely hanging on to her life. At last Minerva decided
to let Arachne live, but with some conditions. Arachne was to hang
forever and weave in the air. Just before the goddess left she
sprinkled magic over Arachne and the girl's hair fell out, and her
nose and ears fell off as well. Her head shrank to a tiny size until
she was mostly a giant belly but her fingers could still weave.

Minerva had turned her into a spider. Ever since then spiders
have woven beautiful webs.>>
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neufer wrote:Minerva lost her temper with Envy's words. The goddess tore Arachne's
tapestry and then started hitting Arachne mercilessly until Arachne
crawled away barely hanging on to her life. At last Minerva decided
to let Arachne live, but with some conditions. Arachne was to hang
forever and weave in the air. Just before the goddess left she
sprinkled magic over Arachne and the girl's hair fell out, and her
nose and ears fell off as well. Her head shrank to a tiny size until
she was mostly a giant belly but her fingers could still weave.

Minerva had turned her into a spider. Ever since then spiders
have woven beautiful webs.>>
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Post by makc » Sun May 10, 2009 6:29 pm

here goes the largest (but not crispest) scan I've found:
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still not sure wtf is that

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Post by The Code » Sun May 10, 2009 7:22 pm

Golden eagle? Looks like a sharper Beak....or am i looking at sumot else?

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makc wrote:here goes the largest (but not crispest) scan I've found:
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still not sure wtf is that
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http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010724.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap980120.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080204.html
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Post by makc » Sun May 10, 2009 9:26 pm

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btw this whole topic reminds me this:
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Post by bystander » Mon May 11, 2009 12:12 pm

neufer wrote:OK, puzzlers: I know the answer...can you guess? :D
What's the answer? :?

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Post by neufer » Mon May 11, 2009 2:07 pm

bystander wrote:
neufer wrote:OK, puzzlers: I know the answer...can you guess? :D
What's the answer? :?
It's both.

Athena/Minerva was the patroness of weaving and other crafts as well as crafty thought (i.e., Metis).

Hence, she was the goddess of those who designed the intricate dollar bill.

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Athena-Ergane
http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia ... mythology)
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Re: OWL OR SPIDER ON DOLLAR BILL?

Post by apodman » Mon May 11, 2009 2:09 pm

Where's the astronomy?

Is an owl-spider like a duck-rabbit?

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