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- Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:08 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
All I can say is that purple light triggers a response from both the blue-sensitive and the red-sensitive rods in our retinas. Consider this color, ███ . The (rgb) values of this particular color is, r = 123 , g = 0, and b = 222 . So purple, at least as far as our eyes are concerned, is indeed a mi...
- Fri Jun 14, 2024 8:02 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
The Belt of Venus illustrates this. The upper pink part is directly lit by the Sun. The lower blue part is only scattering light from other parts of the sky. Yes, I agree, most of those terms are subjective. I was thinking about how the upper pink part of the Belt of Venus is directly lit by the Su...
- Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:34 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Pink and red are the same hue, just varying by saturation. Saturation in this case is determined by how much white light (or at least, not red light) is mixed in. So first... the light source itself is not red, it is a broad spectrum that is more intense at longer wavelengths, but is far from a sto...
- Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:34 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Pink and red are the same hue, just varying by saturation. Saturation in this case is determined by how much white light (or at least, not red light) is mixed in. So first... the light source itself is not red, it is a broad spectrum that is more intense at longer wavelengths, but is far from a sto...
- Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:17 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Apparently, Alpenglow and the Belt of Venus are the essentially the same phenomenon, "where predominantly red light is scattered by particulates, forming a pink glow" https://www.colorado.edu/asmagazine/2020/11/30/celestial-phenomena-steve-belt-venus-earths-shadow-and-milky-way The Belt of...
- Wed Jun 05, 2024 2:23 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
It's being illuminated by the sunset... which is red/orange/pink. That is, the Sun that is lighting its upper part has passed through a very long atmospheric path and had most of its short wavelength light scattered away. Thank you so much for all of your insights... I wonder if this could be speci...
- Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:37 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
The Belt of Venus illustrates this. The upper pink part is directly lit by the Sun. The lower blue part is only scattering light from other parts of the sky. I can't seem to figure out, why is the Belt of Venus pink as opposed to, say, red. Red is a predictable in sunsets, of course, one finds many...
- Sat May 18, 2024 4:58 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
The lower blue part of the Belt is just the twilight sky rising (or setting). In the evening I sometimes call it "nightrise". So yeah, it is only lit indirectly, by light that has scattered from air still lit by the Sun directly. So every moment of twilight involves some combination of di...
- Sat May 18, 2024 4:04 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
The Belt of Venus illustrates this. The upper pink part is directly lit by the Sun. The lower blue part is only scattering light from other parts of the sky. When I think of Descartes on clear and distinct ideas, where “distinct” perceptions are "sharply separated from all other perceptions&qu...
- Tue May 14, 2024 7:16 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
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Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
It doesn't look ozone blue to me. I'd say it's dominated by Rayleigh scattered sunlight, which itself is scattered off the illuminated part of the sky. I see, perhaps because the Belt of Venus is visible shortly before sunrise or after sunset, during civil twilight, and ozone blue occurs closer to ...
- Tue May 14, 2024 6:53 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
The Belt of Venus illustrates this. The upper pink part is directly lit by the Sun. The lower blue part is only scattering light from other parts of the sky. Regarding the lower blue part, which is the Earth's shadow, I wonder if the blue color is not a function of Rayleigh scattering but instead C...
- Tue May 14, 2024 5:53 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
I wonder if this Wikipedia article on Sky brightness makes sense -- it seems to that there is both direct and indirect sunlight in the sky at twilight -- "Indirectly scattered sunlight comes from ... the atmosphere itself .... the Sun has just set but still illuminates the upper atmosphere dire...
- Tue May 14, 2024 3:07 pm
- Forum: The Library: Information Desk and Educational Resources
- Topic: Why are earthly sunsets never green?
- Replies: 24
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Re: Why are earthly sunsets never green?
The color green does not exist outside our human eyes and brains. It is our eyes and brains that "create" the color green. Also then should be the case regarding the sun's green flash, it is an optical phenomenon, as our eyes and brains also create the color green of the sun's green flash...
- Sat May 11, 2024 4:58 pm
- Forum: The Library: Information Desk and Educational Resources
- Topic: Why are earthly sunsets never green?
- Replies: 24
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Re: Why are earthly sunsets never green?
It is why earthly sunsets are never green. ...why atmospheric absorption of colors would prevent sunsets on the Earth from ever looking green. "Why are earthly sunsets never green?" seems an interesting topic to compare with Northern Lights, so prevalent at the moment -- the sun's charged...
- Sat May 11, 2024 4:40 pm
- Forum: Open Space: Discuss Anything
- Topic: Weather!
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Re: Weather!
Yes, it is a very powerful theory, evolution, to be able to derive such a conclusion, for it apparently would apply to every living organism, or are there any exceptions?Chris Peterson wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 12:41 pm And evolution doesn't favor organisms that don't die and make room for future generations.
- Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:01 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
All I can say is that purple light triggers a response from both the blue-sensitive and the red-sensitive rods in our retinas. Consider this color, ███ . The (rgb) values of this particular color is, r = 123 , g = 0, and b = 222 . So purple, at least as far as our eyes are concerned, is indeed a mi...
- Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:10 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Given a well understood mechanism for creating blue light in the sky, and a well understood mechanism for creating red light in the sky, and well understood mechanisms of reflection and scatter, it would be difficult to explain if we didn't regularly see purple! I think we are indebted to Edward Ol...
- Mon Apr 15, 2024 10:30 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Peter, I think you are right that the anti-twilight sky phenomenon, the Belt of Venus, can make the sky take on hints of a purple color. Ann Ann, I was following up on hints of a purple color and the anti-twilight sky phenomenon, the Belt of Venus, and I came across "afterglow," at the mo...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:15 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Or if they're just into shadow, they may still pick up the red light reflected from clouds even further west. Or they may be in shadow, in which case they are likely to look blue (which some people see as purple) because they are reflecting blue sky. Chris, I don't understand to which shadow you ar...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:07 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Peter, you wrote about the purple color of the upper sky. As I said, I have never observed purple color in the sky, except on those rare occasions when pink clouds at sunset or sunrise momentarily seem to take on a purplish-pink hue. Otherwise, I've never seen it. Ann, thanks for putting me in the ...
- Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:34 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Re: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Thanks to all of you who looked at my post! Please let me know -- no one wants to reply to my question because: 1. It is a such difficult question, impossible, I've asked a question that has stumped all viewers! (unlikely!) 2. On the contrary, my question is quite idiotic and incomprehensible, the q...
- Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:59 pm
- Forum: The Bridge: Discuss an Astronomy Picture of the Day
- Topic: APOD: A Picturesque Equinox Sunset (2024 Mar 19)
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Question about APOD: A Picturesque Equinox Sunset (2024 Mar 19)
Very impressive photograph, both aesthetically and conceptually. My question is, the sun is observable and approximately the same shade of orange is observable both on the horizon and on the cloud above, but the moment the sun is below the horizon, most likely the horizon will remain orange color fo...
- Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:23 pm
- Forum: The Asterisk Café: Discuss Anything Astronomy Related
- Topic: Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
- Replies: 49
- Views: 39133
Colors of Twilight vs. Sunset/Sunrise
Hello all -- I'm trying to understand colors of the sky at twilight. I'm not in the field of physics, but I've tried to grasp some concepts, which I first briefly note, and then pose some questions. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. 1. Attempt at basic understanding. The blue light waves of...