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[quote=VictorBorun post_id=331143 time=1684655243 user_id=145500]
[quote=Ann post_id=331138 time=1684646590 user_id=129702]
The dust lane may or may not be a site of star formation:
[img]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47497&t=1[/img]
Ann
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now I see that, too, in a lane beyond the disk of M63:
[hide]M63 5-.jpgM63 5.jpg[/hide]
[imghover=https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47499&mode=view]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47500&mode=view[/imghover]
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I should have answered you before. There are indeed several young (or young-ish) stars along that dotted line below the visible disk of M63. (When I say that the stars can be young-ish, I mean that GALEX probably reacted to stars like Sirius and Vega, and they can be a few hundred million years old. Then again, it is also possible that the stars along that line are much younger and also hotter and more massive.)

So, yes. There are indeed young stars beyond the visible disk of M63.

Ann

[quote=Ann post_id=331138 time=1684646590 user_id=129702]
The dust lane may or may not be a site of star formation:
[img]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47497&t=1[/img]
Ann
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now I see that, too, in a lane beyond the disk of M63:
[hide][attachment=0]M63 5-.jpg[/attachment][attachment=1]M63 5.jpg[/attachment][/hide]
[imghover=https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47499&mode=view]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47500&mode=view[/imghover]

[quote=VictorBorun post_id=331132 time=1684622360 user_id=145500]
[quote=Ann post_id=331099 time=1684480229 user_id=129702]
To the left of the blue line of star formation is a very pronounced dust lane, which is light brown in color in the APOD. There is nothing like this dust lane anywhere else in M63.
Ann
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My first guess is that a current and short-living dusty disk is at an angle with the main M63 gas and stellar disk; one half of that dusty disk is in front of the stellar disk, is visible in this APOD long exposure by backlight and is eclipsing M63. The other half is invisible to us.

Let me hang UF over APOD to see if it helps to see the shape of the dust…
[hide]M63..jpgM63 3.jpg[/hide]
[imghover=https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47491&mode=view]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47490&mode=view[/imghover]
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Victor, I absolutely love your "image-hovers" where we can switch between two images at the same size and orientation. These images are so revealing!

Unlike you, I don't think that the prominent dust lane is short-lived, because it looks so substantial to me.

The dust lane may or may not be a site of star formation:


[float=right][hide]M63 4.jpgM63 4-.jpg[/hide]
[imghover=https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47496&mode=view]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47495&mode=view[/imghover][/float][attachment=1]M63 GALEX annotated.png[/attachment]
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Victor, I shamelessly copied your way of creating an imaged-hover of Chris' image and the APOD! :oops:

Anyway. In Chris' fine image, it looks as if the dust lane may be a foreground object located in front of the starforming disk of M63. If so, the regions of star formation seen above and below the dust lane are just peeking out above and below the foreground curtain of dust, and the dust lane has nothing to do with their presence. This hypothesis is strengthened by the fact that the dust lane does not look very prominent at all in the Spitzer infrared image.

Note however that the dust lane looks dark blue in the GALEX UV image, as if it contained a large number of small hot stars. Of course, it is equally possible that the dust lane just serves as a reflection nebula scattering UV light from sources behind it!

But take a look at another picture of Centaurus A to see why I'm talking about possible star formation along the edge of the dust lane of M63. It is exactly that sort of thing that we see along the the edge of the dust lane of Centaurus A:


[float=left][attachment=0]Cen A SSRO PROMPT CTIO Processed by Mark Hanson.png[/attachment][c][size=85][color=#0040FF]Centaurus A. Credit: SSRO/PROMPT/CTIO, Chile;
Processed by Mark Hanson[/color][/size][/c][/float]
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Of course the dust lane of M63 is in no way comparable to the magnificent and broken dust lane of Centaurus A. The comparison is interesting all the same, I think.

Ann

and 3 hours of exposure by [url=https://asterisk.apod.com/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=117706]Chris L Peterson[/url] over APOD…
[hide][attachment=0]M63 4.jpg[/attachment][attachment=1]M63 4-.jpg[/attachment][/hide]
[imghover=https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47496&mode=view]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47495&mode=view[/imghover]

I think here the dust (a half-disk of dust?) is most visible

and IR over APOD…
[hide][attachment=0]M63 2.jpg[/attachment][attachment=1]M63 2+.jpg[/attachment][/hide]
[imghover=https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47494&mode=view]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47493[/imghover]

[quote=Ann post_id=331099 time=1684480229 user_id=129702]
To the left of the blue line of star formation is a very pronounced dust lane, which is light brown in color in the APOD. There is nothing like this dust lane anywhere else in M63.
Ann
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My first guess is that a current and short-living dusty disk is at an angle with the main M63 gas and stellar disk; one half of that dusty disk is in front of the stellar disk, is visible in this APOD long exposure by backlight and is eclipsing M63. The other half is invisible to us.

Let me hang UF over APOD to see if it helps to see the shape of the dust…
[hide][attachment=0]M63..jpg[/attachment][attachment=1]M63 3.jpg[/attachment][/hide]
[imghover=https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47491&mode=view]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47490&mode=view[/imghover]

[quote="Ed Siegel" post_id=331110 time=1684535140]
What I see in this beautiful photo is an almost circular arc of stars that in the photo are about one diameter distant from the edge of M63. The arc is particularly prominent to the left starting at about 7 o'clock and extending to around 11:30. I wonder if it's me, or artifact or something actually cool.
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I see many arcs in this APOD, which are the various streamers of stars being talked about. Not sure which one you're referring to though.

[quote=MarkBour post_id=331111 time=1684541701 user_id=141361]
[quote=Ann post_id=331099 time=1684480229 user_id=129702]
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Note to the upper right of the wiggly blue line a small, faint gray clump embedded in the "head" of a tidal tail or a dust lane. That thing could be an evaporating satellite galaxy, if you ask me.

Have we caught the culprit?

Ann
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Ann, are you talking about this?
[img2]https://asterisk.apod.com/download/file.php?id=47485&t=1[/img2]
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Indeed, Mark, that's exactly it.

Ann

This galaxy looks like it has been in a washing machine, perhaps on the gentle cycle? How could small satellite galaxies cause so much disruption?

[quote=Ann post_id=331099 time=1684480229 user_id=129702]
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Note to the upper right of the wiggly blue line a small, faint gray clump embedded in the "head" of a tidal tail or a dust lane. That thing could be an evaporating satellite galaxy, if you ask me.

Have we caught the culprit?

Ann
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Ann, are you talking about this?
[attachment=0]Capture0.png[/attachment]

What I see in this beautiful photo is an almost circular arc of stars that in the photo are about one diameter distant from the edge of M63. The arc is particularly prominent to the left starting at about 7 o'clock and extending to around 11:30. I wonder if it's me, or artifact or something actually cool.

[attachment=0]m63_1024.jpg[/attachment]
I can see why they call it Curly with the streaming around it!
I like the fact that it is about the size of the MW! gives a good reason
to study it! Might learn more about the MW that way! :?:

[quote="Chris Peterson" post_id=331103 time=1684516602 user_id=117706]
[quote=Ann post_id=331099 time=1684480229 user_id=129702]
Take a look at M63 again and note the wiggly blue line at 3 o'clock. In the first picture I posted, I asked what that blue line is, but it is clearly just a long line of star formation. A "long" line is the word for it! It must be thousands of light-years long! And there is nothing like it anywhere else in M63.

To the left of the blue line of star formation is a very pronounced dust lane, which is light brown in color in the APOD. There is nothing like this dust lane anywhere else in M63.

Note to the upper right of the wiggly blue line a small, faint gray clump embedded in the "head" of a tidal tail or a dust lane. That thing could be an evaporating satellite galaxy, if you ask me.
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Hmm. Here's an image I made of that galaxy, which just catches the region under discussion. It is much less deep (only about three hours of exposure), but arguably more accurate in its color. I think that we might be seeing a large clump of dust and gas, with some bright, but perhaps not terribly blue stars in it. Hard to say.
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M63.jpg
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[img3="M63 in UV light. Credit: NASA, CalTech, GALEX. "]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Messier_63_GALEX_WikiSky.jpg/1200px-Messier_63_GALEX_WikiSky.jpg[/img3]


Note in this UV portrait of M63 that the wiggly blue line stands out well (at 3 o'clock). However, it is not as dominant as it should be if it was "radically bluer" than anything else in the outer disk or halo of M63.

Ann

[quote=Ann post_id=331099 time=1684480229 user_id=129702]
Take a look at M63 again and note the wiggly blue line at 3 o'clock. In the first picture I posted, I asked what that blue line is, but it is clearly just a long line of star formation. A "long" line is the word for it! It must be thousands of light-years long! And there is nothing like it anywhere else in M63.

To the left of the blue line of star formation is a very pronounced dust lane, which is light brown in color in the APOD. There is nothing like this dust lane anywhere else in M63.

Note to the upper right of the wiggly blue line a small, faint gray clump embedded in the "head" of a tidal tail or a dust lane. That thing could be an evaporating satellite galaxy, if you ask me.
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Hmm. Here's an image I made of that galaxy, which just catches the region under discussion. It is much less deep (only about three hours of exposure), but arguably more accurate in its color. I think that we might be seeing a large clump of dust and gas, with some bright, but perhaps not terribly blue stars in it. Hard to say.
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[attachment=0]M63.jpg[/attachment]

I’ve never seen a photo of M63 this deep before!

[float=left][attachment=2]APOD 19 May 2023 detail annotated.png[/attachment][c][size=85][color=#0040FF]Curly Spiral Galaxy M63 (cropped image).
Image Credit & Copyright: Sophie Paulin, Jens Unger, Jakob Sahner[/color][/size][/c][/float][float=right][attachment=1]NGC 1316 great tidal tails maybe NASA.png[/attachment][c][size=85][color=#0040FF]Interacting lenticular galaxy NGC 1316 with curly tidal tails.
Credit: I don't know.[/color][/size][/c][/float]
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M63 is surrounded by some impressive tidal structures. But other galaxies are too, as you can see in the picture of interacting lenticular galaxy NGC 1316. The tidal structures around NGC 1316 are so impressive that they make NGC 1316 look like a barred galaxy with a large ring and two spiral arms!

Let's have a look at the inner workings of M63 and NGC 1316:


[float=left][img3="The inner structure of M63 is patchy. This is a so called flocculent galaxy.
Credit: ESA/Hubble."]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/A_galactic_sunflower.jpg/1024px-A_galactic_sunflower.jpg[/img3][/float][float=right][img3="The bright inner disk of NGC 1316 displays a multitude of tattered dust bunnies. Credit: NASA, ESA, and The Hubble Heritage Team."]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Ngc1316_hst.jpg/800px-Ngc1316_hst.jpg[/img3][/float]
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My guess is that both M63 and NGC 1316 may have consumed a small satellite galaxy, and their meals have given them indigestion. M63, the spiral galaxy, "should" have had a more clearly defined inner spiral structure, and NGC 1316, the lenticular galaxy, "should" have had a purely yellow, dust-free appearance, if the incorporation of a satellite galaxy hadn't been so upsetting. And neither of them "should" have had these large surrounding tidal structures, if they hadn't eaten one of their small satellite galaxies! Or so I think anyway.


[img3="NGC 1316 and NGC 1317 (top). Image credit: Steve Mazlin, Warren Keller, and Steve Menaker"]https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1702/NGC1316_MazlinKellerMenaker1024d.jpg[/img3]


Of course, in the case of NGC 1316, it is clearly interacting with other galaxies too, including NGC 1317. Or is it? Note that NGC 1317 appears quite unaffected by the proximity(?) of NGC 1316, whereas NGC 1316 is "bleeding tidal tails" all over! And surely the dusty debris across the inner face of NGC 1316 wasn't caused by NGC 1317? So I really think that the messy appearance of NGC 1316 is a result of it having swallowed a satellite galaxy and wondering where its indigestion pills are!

Let's look at two elliptical galaxies that really ate more than they could chew:


[float=left][img3="A hapless spiral galaxy has collided with a large elliptical galaxy and is being shredded by it. The combined entity is known as Perseus A or NGC 1275. Credit: NASA, ESA, and the Hubble Heritage."]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/NGC_1275_Hubble.jpg/1280px-NGC_1275_Hubble.jpg[/img3][/float][float=right][img3="A spiral galaxy is being shredded as it merges with an elliptical galaxy to create an entity known as Centaurus A. Credit: NASA, ESA, and the Hubble Heritage."]https://cdn.spacetelescope.org/archives/images/screen/heic1110a.jpg[/img3][/float]
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What has happened to M63 is obviously not so violent. The satellite galaxy that merged with M63 must have been quite small, but still big enough to have created a real global galactic disturbance.


[attachment=0]APOD 19 May 2023 cropped.png[/attachment]


Take a look at M63 again and note the wiggly blue line at 3 o'clock. In the first picture I posted, I asked what that blue line is, but it is clearly just a long line of star formation. A "long" line is the word for it! It must be thousands of light-years long! And there is nothing like it anywhere else in M63.

To the left of the blue line of star formation is a very pronounced dust lane, which is light brown in color in the APOD. There is nothing like this dust lane anywhere else in M63.

Note to the upper right of the wiggly blue line a small, faint gray clump embedded in the "head" of a tidal tail or a dust lane. That thing could be an evaporating satellite galaxy, if you ask me.

Have we caught the culprit?

Ann

[url=https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap230519.html] [img]https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/calendar/S_230519.jpg[/img] [size=150]Curly Spiral Galaxy M63[/size][/url]

[b] Explanation: [/b] A bright spiral galaxy of the northern sky, [url=http://messier.seds.org/m/m063.html]Messier 63[/url] is nearby, about 30 million light-years distant toward the loyal constellation Canes Venatici. Also cataloged as NGC 5055, the majestic [url=https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100109.html]island universe[/url] is nearly 100,000 light-years across, about the size of our own [url=https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080104.html]Milky Way[/url]. Its bright core [url=https://www.spacetelescope.org/images/potw1536a/]and majestic[/url] spiral arms lend the galaxy its popular name, The Sunflower Galaxy. This exceptionally deep exposure also follows faint, arcing star streams far into the galaxy's halo. Extending nearly 180,000 light-years from the galactic center, the star streams are likely remnants of [url=https://www.cosmotography.com/images/galaxy_cannibalism.html]tidally disrupted[/url] satellites of M63. Other satellite galaxies of M63 can be spotted in [url=https://www.astrobin.com/xeei1h/F/]the remarkable wide-field image[/url], including faint [url=https://arxiv.org/abs/2011.04984]dwarf galaxies[/url], which could contribute to M63's star streams in the next few billion years.


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