by neufer » Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:06 pm
Chris Peterson wrote:makc wrote:How would ancient indians know about Tethys sea?
Of course, they didn't. Nor do any Hindu texts contain anything geologically accurate about the Himalayan orogeny. But many ancient texts do contain creation myths where the land formed by rising from the sea. So the idea of "sagar" as ocean isn't extreme, although I don't think it is correct.
How would ancient Nepalese know about "Sagarmāthā?"
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In the early 1960s, the Nepalese government gave Mount EVEREst the official name
Sagarmāthā (सगरमाथा).
This name had not previously been used."
Sometimes a Sagar is just a
Segar.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_EVEREst wrote:
<<With the height now established, what to name the peak was clearly the next challenge. While the survey was anxious to preserve local names if possible (e.g. Kangchenjunga and Dhaulagiri), Waugh argued that he was unable to find any commonly used local name. Waugh's search for a local name was hampered by Nepal and Tibet being closed to foreigners at the time. Many local names existed, with perhaps the best known in Tibet for several centuries being Chomolangma, which had appeared on a 1733 map published in Paris by the French geographer D'Anville. However, Waugh argued that with the plethora of local names, it would be difficult to favour one specific name over all others. So, he decided that Peak XV should be named after George EVEREst, his predecessor as Surveyor General of India. He wrote:
"I was taught by my respected chief and predecessor, Colonel Sir George EVEREst to assign to every geographical object its true local or native appellation. But here is a mountain, most probably the highest in the world, without any local name that we can discover, whose native appellation, if it has any, will not very likely be ascertained before we are allowed to penetrate into Nepal. In the meantime the privilege as well as the duty devolves on me to assign…a name whereby it may be known among citizens and geographers and become a household word among civilized nations."
George EVEREst opposed the name suggested by Waugh and told the Royal Geographical Society in 1857 that EVEREst could not be written in Hindi nor pronounced by "the native of India". Waugh's proposed name prevailed despite the objections, and in 1865, the Royal Geographical Society officially adopted Mount EVEREst as the name for the highest mountain in the world. Interestingly, the modern pronunciation of EVEREst /ˈɛvərɨst, ˈɛvrɨst/ is in fact different from Sir George's pronunciation of his surname, which was /ˈiːvrɨst/.
The Tibetan name for Mount EVEREst is Chomolangma or Qomolangma (ཇོ་མོ་གླིང་མ, which means "Saint Mother"), phonetically transliterated into Chinese as Zhūmùlǎngmǎ Fēng, or translated by meaning as Shèngmǔ Fēng, literally "Holy Mother". According to English accounts of the mid-19th century, the local name in Darjeeling for Mount EVEREst was Deodungha (meaning "holy mountain").
In the late 19th century, many European cartographers incorrectly believed that a native name for the mountain was Gaurisankar. This was a result of confusion of Mount EVEREst with the actual Gauri Sankar, which, when viewed from Kathmandu, stands almost directly in front of EVEREst.
In the early 1960s, the Nepalese government gave Mount EVEREst the official name Sagarmāthā (सगरमाथा). This name had not previously been used; the local inhabitants knew the mountain as Chomolangma. The mountain was not known and named in ethnic Nepal (that is, the Kathmandu valley and surrounding areas). The government set out to find a Nepalese name for the mountain because the Sherpa/Tibetan name Chomolangma was not acceptable, as it would have been against the idea of unification (Nepalization) of the country.
In 2002, the Chinese People's Daily newspaper published an article making a case against the continued use of the English name for the mountain in the Western world, insisting that it should be referred to by its Tibetan name. The newspaper argued that the Chinese (in nature a Tibetan) name preceded the English one, as Mount Qomolangma was marked on a Chinese map more than 280 years ago.>>
[quote="Chris Peterson"][quote="makc"]How would ancient indians know about Tethys sea?[/quote]
Of course, they didn't. Nor do any Hindu texts contain anything geologically accurate about the Himalayan orogeny. But many ancient texts do contain creation myths where the land formed by rising from the sea. So the idea of "sagar" as ocean isn't extreme, although I don't think it is correct.[/quote]
How would ancient Nepalese know about "Sagarmāthā?"
"[color=#FF0000][b]In the early 1960s[/color][/b], the Nepalese government gave Mount EVEREst the official name
Sagarmāthā (सगरमाथा). [color=#FF0000][b]This name had not previously been used.[/color][/b]"
Sometimes a Sagar is just a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._C._Segar][b]Segar[/b][/url].
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[quote=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagarmatha_National_Park"]
<<[b]Sagarmāthā is a Sanskrit word, from [color=#0000FF]sagar = "sky"[/color] ([color=#FF0000]not to be confused with "sea/ocean"[/color])[/b]
and māthā = "forehead" or "head", and is the [b][color=#FF00FF]modern Nepali name for Mount EVEREst.[/color][/b]>>[/quote]--------------------------------------------
[quote=" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_EVEREst"]
<<With the height now established, what to name the peak was clearly the next challenge. While the survey was anxious to preserve local names if possible (e.g. Kangchenjunga and Dhaulagiri), Waugh argued that he was unable to find any commonly used local name. Waugh's search for a local name was hampered by Nepal and Tibet being closed to foreigners at the time. Many local names existed, with perhaps the best known in Tibet for several centuries being Chomolangma, which had appeared on a 1733 map published in Paris by the French geographer D'Anville. However, Waugh argued that with the plethora of local names, it would be difficult to favour one specific name over all others. So, he decided that Peak XV should be named after George EVEREst, his predecessor as Surveyor General of India. He wrote:
"I was taught by my respected chief and predecessor, Colonel Sir George EVEREst to assign to every geographical object its true local or native appellation. But here is a mountain, most probably the highest in the world, without any local name that we can discover, whose native appellation, if it has any, will not very likely be ascertained before we are allowed to penetrate into Nepal. In the meantime the privilege as well as the duty devolves on me to assign…a name whereby it may be known among citizens and geographers and become a household word among civilized nations."
George EVEREst opposed the name suggested by Waugh and told the Royal Geographical Society in 1857 that EVEREst could not be written in Hindi nor pronounced by "the native of India". Waugh's proposed name prevailed despite the objections, and in 1865, the Royal Geographical Society officially adopted Mount EVEREst as the name for the highest mountain in the world. Interestingly, the modern pronunciation of EVEREst /ˈɛvərɨst, ˈɛvrɨst/ is in fact different from Sir George's pronunciation of his surname, which was /ˈiːvrɨst/.
The Tibetan name for Mount EVEREst is Chomolangma or Qomolangma (ཇོ་མོ་གླིང་མ, which means "Saint Mother"), phonetically transliterated into Chinese as Zhūmùlǎngmǎ Fēng, or translated by meaning as Shèngmǔ Fēng, literally "Holy Mother". According to English accounts of the mid-19th century, the local name in Darjeeling for Mount EVEREst was Deodungha (meaning "holy mountain").
In the late 19th century, many European cartographers incorrectly believed that a native name for the mountain was Gaurisankar. This was a result of confusion of Mount EVEREst with the actual Gauri Sankar, which, when viewed from Kathmandu, stands almost directly in front of EVEREst.
In the early 1960s, the Nepalese government gave Mount EVEREst the official name Sagarmāthā (सगरमाथा). This name had not previously been used; the local inhabitants knew the mountain as Chomolangma. The mountain was not known and named in ethnic Nepal (that is, the Kathmandu valley and surrounding areas). The government set out to find a Nepalese name for the mountain because the Sherpa/Tibetan name Chomolangma was not acceptable, as it would have been against the idea of unification (Nepalization) of the country.
In 2002, the Chinese People's Daily newspaper published an article making a case against the continued use of the English name for the mountain in the Western world, insisting that it should be referred to by its Tibetan name. The newspaper argued that the Chinese (in nature a Tibetan) name preceded the English one, as Mount Qomolangma was marked on a Chinese map more than 280 years ago.>>[/quote]