Starship Asterisk*

by **BMAONE23** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:05 am

na-nu na-nu

by **NoelC** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:31 pm

"Uhhhmmmm", okay, smarta$$, is it "whether we're in the plane of the milky way", or "whether we're rotating in the plane of the Milky Way"?

There are those participating in this thread who apparently live in a different universe altogether. Say hi to Mork for me.

-Noel

by **craterchains** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:51 am

uhmmm why this of course, , ,

The Milky Way at 5000 Meters (APOD 04 Jan 2008)

FOCLMFAO

by **NoelC** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:15 am

Well, I don't think FieryIce has put enough words into any of his/her posts to define exactly WHAT it is we're debating, frankly.

-Noel

by **JohnD** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:06 pm

craterchains wrote:uhhhh huhhhh

Secret doubt, AND in denial.
We have a tough case here, colleagues.
Sister! We may require the water hoses!

John

by **craterchains** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:52 pm

uhhhh huhhhh

by **Doum** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:52 am

I think i read somewhere that we are effectively circling the plane of our galaxy, but we are also moving from what i call the top of the width of the milky way to the other side of the width and then back up. (Few thousand years for a cycle, dunno the time per cycle) and that movement being induce by the star gravity above or under the solar system. We wobble in the width of the galaxy (If my english is right) while circling the galaxy. Quite chaotic i suppose.

It may also explain some major event happening to the earth over the ages since life exist on it and before.

by **Case** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:04 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:I think though, that the arguement (query) is, are we actually traveling around the band of the galactic plane as part of the milky way (in synk with it), or are we just passing through the plane and currently happen to be in the middle of it (tangent to it).

That is easily settled. The average redshift of the stars in our galaxy is z≈0. That means the relative velocity is zero, which tells us that we move with the other stars around the center of gravity of our galaxy. A very small vertical motion (with respect to the galactic plane) wouldn't indicate a tangential path, only a slight oscillation in the path within the width of the disk.

by **craterchains** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:56 pm

hmmmm, yah think?

by **BMAONE23** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:04 pm

I think though, that the arguement (query) is, are we actually traveling around the band of the galactic plane as part of the milky way (in synk with it), or are we just passing through the plane and currently happen to be in the middle of it (tangent to it).

by **NoelC** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:35 pm

Ever heard of verify for yourself?

Well, I for one went outside and LOOKED at the sky. Yep, there's that light band of galactic density and lo and behold it DOES go all the way around the sky, bisecting it.

There is one and only one conclusion: We're in the plane of the Milky Way.

Are you able to think in 3D? Or do you have trouble with spatial relationships?

In this case, there is no need to "look it up", just to "look up".

-Noel

by **JohnD** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:53 pm

Since we're trading insults, and Gosh! I do enjoy it when such juicy targets present themselves, FI and CC, consider this.
From Aldous Huxley, who knew one when he saw one, "A fanatic is someone who conciously over-compensates a secret doubt."

I think we all have doubts here, but we don't keep them secret.

Pip,pip!

John

by **BMAONE23** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:03 pm

Ever heard of verify for yourself?

This seems to be the single greatest arguement and problem on these boards. No one seems either willing or able to support claims through supplied proofs. They always state "Look it up". Problem is, the sources used are subject to interpretation and this could be skewed in favor of many different arguements. No one seems willing to link/quote/and supply their interpretation of said quote to support their views.

by **FieryIce** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:43 pm

Ever heard of verify for yourself?

by **bystander** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:36 pm

That's the spirit CC. Rather than enlightening those of us who are so misinformed and answer the questions posed, lash out with derogatory remarks. I'm sure you attract a lot of adherents to your philosophies with those methods.

BTW, where does petroleum come from? Not the Milky Way, I'm guessing.

by **craterchains** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:19 pm

Not sure what you all are smoking, but it is very apparent that you've a real problem with Short Term Memory Loss. Reminds me about where does petroleum come from? The stupid teachers are still teaching that it comes from decayed mater in college. No wonder you all are so far back in the learning curve. Like over the hill even.

But then again, it is the intent of "american science" to keep people misinformed, and deceived. Conspiracy? Only if it is true. Like 911, most are so gullible.

John D, you obviously have mistaken FieryIce and myself as "religious". Not in the least. 8)

by **bystander** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:56 pm

JohnD wrote:http://www.galacticmessenger.com/gblog/?page_id=148

"A great revelation given in the Everlasting Gospel is that a catastrophe happened long ago in this solar system . . . which has been the cause of all the satanic negativity and duality that the people here have been dealing with in this space warp of consciousness."

I think maybe even L Ron is easier to believe.

by **JohnD** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:27 pm

"The wider and fastest movement is the orbital motion of the Solar System around the nucleus of our galaxy. The speed of the Solar System orbital motion around the center of the galaxy is 217.215 Km/s. The Solar System completes one track around the galaxy each 226 million years."

From: http://biocab.org/Coplanarity_Solar_Sys ... alaxy.html

Or these:
16. What processes are involved in the formation of the solar system? Describe the position and motion of our solar system in relation to the Milky Way Galaxy.

UCAR, 1999. Solar system formation. http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/ ... l&edu=high accessed 1/8/2008.

Ask and Astronomer, 2004. What is the evidence supporting the nebula theory of Solar System formation? http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/questi ... number=600 accessed 1/8/2008.

Think Quest. 2005. The Milky Way. http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC041174/galaxy.php accessed 1/8/2008.

Gore, P. 2005. Our solar system in the Milky Way and the Universe. http://gpc.edu/~pgore/Earth&Space/GPS/galaxies.html accessed 1/8/2008.

http://www.eram.k12.ny.us/education/sct ... VIIIB.html #2
From here: http://geography.cst.cmich.edu/Franc1M/ ... _Links.doc

But perhaps FieryIce would prefer us to believe this: http://www.galacticmessenger.com/gblog/?page_id=148
"A great revelation given in the Everlasting Gospel is that a catastrophe happened long ago in this solar system . . . which has been the cause of all the satanic negativity and duality that the people here have been dealing with in this space warp of consciousness."

John

by **BMAONE23** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:23 pm

Maybe in DeNile???

(Some people just aren't happy unless they have their "Conspiracy Theories" hanging out)

by **Cherie** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:15 pm

Yes, do tell us where you think we are. I'm interested too.

by **NoelC** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:51 pm

I'll echo what bystander said... If not in the Milky Way, where do you think we are? In some kind of grand planetarium?

I'm still trying to discern whether you think we're passing through the Milky Way and not rotating with it. It seems obvious even to a child we're IN it. I honestly don't see any basis for debate of that. But by all means please present your alternate viewpoint.

-Noel

by **bystander** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:32 pm

FieryIce wrote:Yes it is Noel and no it is not "pretty clear we're in the Milky Way".

It's not clear to who? Where do you think we are? and what scientific basis do you have for that?

by **BMAONE23** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:15 pm

Light travels at a constant of
.................186,000 MPS
............11,160,000 MPM
..........669,600,000 MPH
......16,070,400,000 MPD
..5,865,696,000,000 MPY
24,753,237,120,000 Miles to out nearest neighbor
= 28,649,580 days / 78492 years (my figures were off. I was thinking hours not years 687,589,920 hours at 36000 mph) But you are still looking at longer than you or I will ever live.

BTW
The galactic edge is
146,642,400,000,000,000 miles away which would actually be:
465,000,000 years to reach at 36000 mph.

by **FieryIce** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:34 pm

Yes it is Noel and no it is not "pretty clear we're in the Milky Way".

by **Chris Peterson** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:10 am

BMAONE23 wrote:At the fastest rate that we can currently muster, it would take over 400,000,000 (4 hunderd, million) years just to travel 4ly to our next nearest stellar neighbor.

Where did you come up with that? You could jog to the nearest star in that time! Voyager 1 is currently traveling away from the Sun at 17 km/s. That's a light year every 18,000 years. And we could get spacecraft going much faster than that by careful gravity assist orbits.

It would take us about 400 million years at Voyager's speed to leave the galaxy (25,000 ly), not to reach our nearest stellar neighbor.

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