by kovil » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:33 pm
Hi Harry,
The 5 words I love to hear the most are, 'Can you explain that again?' !
Which POST ? the one that says 'point of no return'?
As Dobson describes the 'recycling feature' in his conceptual cosmology,
starlight drives the expansion by the radiative pressure of light and energy.
As the particles that are being driven eventually reach the speed of light, they then disappear from our sight, or awareness, as no light speed information will ever reach us.
At this point we know 'everything' about their energy level, and by Heisenberg we then cannot know anything about their location. This is how they then tunnel back into this universe in a 'recycling' fashion. There is lots more to this recycling thing, but later for that.
The main idea is, at some point there is a boundary to the universe of which we can be aware of. What happens at the border is, things are going away from us at the speed of light, and as a result the energy signature is redshifted down so far they have 'no energy', to us.
Another portion of Dobson is ; protons have a rest mass. Electrons don't. Electrons are purely electrical in their nature. How does a proton determine its rest mass? Well Dobson, and he has Feynman with him on this one; protons determine it by a relationship to all the other protons in the awareable universe. Dobson says, that as the number of protons increases the rest mass goes up, and as the number of protons in the awareable universe decreases the rest mass decreases. (which sounds backwards to me, but this is how the argument goes) So as the border of the universe moves further away, there are more protons and so the rest mass of individual protons goes up. As the rest mass goes up, they are able to make a stronger gravity. So a stars gravity would increase slightly and make it burn a little hotter to resist the increase in gravitational compression. As the star burns a little hotter that makes it radiate energy and light faster, which would drive the expansion a little faster, which would make the particles being accelerated towards the border , reach the speed of light a little sooner, which would as a result make the border move closer to us. As the border moves closer to us, that would make fewer protons in the awareable universe, which would then make the protons have a lesser rest mass and a lesser gravity producing ability. That would make the star burn a little cooler, and radiate light and energy at a lesser rate, which would drive the expansion a little slower, which would allow the particles being driven a longer time and distance to reach the speed of light, and that would make the border in effect move further away, and by that token include more protons in the awareable universe and make the rest mass go up, stronger gravity, more radiation, faster driving, and a resulting closer border; and this creates a self regulating governor that stabilizes the size of the awareable universe !!!!!!!!!!
Dobson's conceptual cosmology has a recycling universe with a governor on it !!!!!!!!
In my own eccentric imaginative ramblings; I interpret the COBE survey of the CMBR to be a picture of the border of the awareable universe, and what it is really seeing are the fluctuations at the border, as the border moves further and closer in a mottley pattern of flux, as it self governs itself into a stable equilibrium. The result of that flux is a flux in the rest mass of the proton. So one might say that the COBE map is a map of the flux of the inertia component in the rest mass of the proton.
As Inertia/Momentum is called the Changeless, the COBE map is a map of the flux of the Changless at the border of the awareable universe. As a Foucalt Pendulum maintains it vector of motion in a constant relationship to the border of the awareable universe, that is the orientation of Inertia/Momentum. It is not to the earth, the sun or the center of our galaxy, it is to the border of our/its awareable universe !
This means that the border of the awareable universe is a very important component or aspect of the quality of Inertia/Momentum. It is part and parcel in how protons determine their rest mass and that in turn affects the gravitational constant.
These things are intertwined and it is hard to speak of only one at a time and not include some aspects of the others. So a complete wholeistic grasp of the situation is necessary first, then we can get into the more subtle aspects of each of the main components of our reality/universe/existence.
That's why it took me 5 years to get a handle on what he is talking about and be able to speak of it myself in limited fashion. He is not the easiest of public speakers to listen to and follow as he goes. He's good, but he does go over things he knows well faster than most in the audience can keep up with. That's the problem with the genius types, they are short on patience for the rest of us slowpokes to keep up. He does have numerous humorous stories and analogies that make concepts easy to remember, and for that he is priceless !!!
To be more fair to Mr Dobson, he does ask if anyone has any questions, and waits thru the stunned silence, as who could find the words to ask? The concepts he's giving turn our educated world upsidedown and one can't process it all fast enough to be able to discuss it in a way of understanding it yet.
Hi Harry,
The 5 words I love to hear the most are, 'Can you explain that again?' !
Which POST ? the one that says 'point of no return'?
As Dobson describes the 'recycling feature' in his conceptual cosmology,
starlight drives the expansion by the radiative pressure of light and energy.
As the particles that are being driven eventually reach the speed of light, they then disappear from our sight, or awareness, as no light speed information will ever reach us.
At this point we know 'everything' about their energy level, and by Heisenberg we then cannot know anything about their location. This is how they then tunnel back into this universe in a 'recycling' fashion. There is lots more to this recycling thing, but later for that.
The main idea is, at some point there is a boundary to the universe of which we can be aware of. What happens at the border is, things are going away from us at the speed of light, and as a result the energy signature is redshifted down so far they have 'no energy', to us.
Another portion of Dobson is ; protons have a rest mass. Electrons don't. Electrons are purely electrical in their nature. How does a proton determine its rest mass? Well Dobson, and he has Feynman with him on this one; protons determine it by a relationship to all the other protons in the awareable universe. Dobson says, that as the number of protons increases the rest mass goes up, and as the number of protons in the awareable universe decreases the rest mass decreases. (which sounds backwards to me, but this is how the argument goes) So as the border of the universe moves further away, there are more protons and so the rest mass of individual protons goes up. As the rest mass goes up, they are able to make a stronger gravity. So a stars gravity would increase slightly and make it burn a little hotter to resist the increase in gravitational compression. As the star burns a little hotter that makes it radiate energy and light faster, which would drive the expansion a little faster, which would make the particles being accelerated towards the border , reach the speed of light a little sooner, which would as a result make the border move closer to us. As the border moves closer to us, that would make fewer protons in the awareable universe, which would then make the protons have a lesser rest mass and a lesser gravity producing ability. That would make the star burn a little cooler, and radiate light and energy at a lesser rate, which would drive the expansion a little slower, which would allow the particles being driven a longer time and distance to reach the speed of light, and that would make the border in effect move further away, and by that token include more protons in the awareable universe and make the rest mass go up, stronger gravity, more radiation, faster driving, and a resulting closer border; and this creates a self regulating governor that stabilizes the size of the awareable universe !!!!!!!!!!
Dobson's conceptual cosmology has a recycling universe with a governor on it !!!!!!!!
In my own eccentric imaginative ramblings; I interpret the COBE survey of the CMBR to be a picture of the border of the awareable universe, and what it is really seeing are the fluctuations at the border, as the border moves further and closer in a mottley pattern of flux, as it self governs itself into a stable equilibrium. The result of that flux is a flux in the rest mass of the proton. So one might say that the COBE map is a map of the flux of the inertia component in the rest mass of the proton.
As Inertia/Momentum is called the Changeless, the COBE map is a map of the flux of the Changless at the border of the awareable universe. As a Foucalt Pendulum maintains it vector of motion in a constant relationship to the border of the awareable universe, that is the orientation of Inertia/Momentum. It is not to the earth, the sun or the center of our galaxy, it is to the border of our/its awareable universe !
This means that the border of the awareable universe is a very important component or aspect of the quality of Inertia/Momentum. It is part and parcel in how protons determine their rest mass and that in turn affects the gravitational constant.
These things are intertwined and it is hard to speak of only one at a time and not include some aspects of the others. So a complete wholeistic grasp of the situation is necessary first, then we can get into the more subtle aspects of each of the main components of our reality/universe/existence.
That's why it took me 5 years to get a handle on what he is talking about and be able to speak of it myself in limited fashion. He is not the easiest of public speakers to listen to and follow as he goes. He's good, but he does go over things he knows well faster than most in the audience can keep up with. That's the problem with the genius types, they are short on patience for the rest of us slowpokes to keep up. He does have numerous humorous stories and analogies that make concepts easy to remember, and for that he is priceless !!!
To be more fair to Mr Dobson, he does ask if anyone has any questions, and waits thru the stunned silence, as who could find the words to ask? The concepts he's giving turn our educated world upsidedown and one can't process it all fast enough to be able to discuss it in a way of understanding it yet.