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[quote=JohnD post_id=336705 time=1706883059 user_id=100329]
[quote=JohnD post_id=336640 time=1706608714 user_id=100329]
The blurb seems a little out of date! AS of yesterday, 29th Jan, Japan regained contact with SNIPER:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/29/asia/japan-moon-sniper-lander-resumes-intl-hnk-scn/index.html

John
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It is back! See the New Scientist report https://www.newscientist.com/article/2414496-japans-slim-moon-lander-regains-power-nine-days-after-botched-landing/?utm_source=nsspa&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nsspa_020224&utm_term=Newsletter%20NSSPA_Launchpad

That includes a picture of the probe,[u] on its side[/u], as opposed to the first pic that showed it upside down. Have the controllers in Japan used side thrusters to turn it?
Slim Moon first pic.jpg

SLIM MOON 2nd pic.png

OR, is the second pic AI/Photoshopped?
John
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That's an artist's rendering according to the caption on it that you can see here: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/business/money-report/japan-becomes-fifth-country-to-land-on-the-moon-with-jaxas-slim-spacecraft/3316748/

[quote=JohnD post_id=336640 time=1706608714 user_id=100329]
The blurb seems a little out of date! AS of yesterday, 29th Jan, Japan regained contact with SNIPER:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/29/asia/japan-moon-sniper-lander-resumes-intl-hnk-scn/index.html

John
[/quote]

It is back! See the New Scientist report https://www.newscientist.com/article/2414496-japans-slim-moon-lander-regains-power-nine-days-after-botched-landing/?utm_source=nsspa&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nsspa_020224&utm_term=Newsletter%20NSSPA_Launchpad

That includes a picture of the probe,[u] on its side[/u], as opposed to the first pic that showed it upside down. Have the controllers in Japan used side thrusters to turn it?
[attachment=1]Slim Moon first pic.jpg[/attachment]

[attachment=0]SLIM MOON 2nd pic.png[/attachment]

OR, is the second pic AI/Photoshopped?
John

[quote=shaileshs post_id=336644 time=1706629984 user_id=143908]
Maybe the small rover should go and bump into Moon Sniper (a nudge, not a destructive bang/collision) so that it stands on it's feet (thrusters touching ground) normal ? Worth experimenting instead of letting it lay there in "vegetable state".. just wondering..
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There's a 1000x mass difference between the larger rover and the lander, and it wasn't designed either to travel fast enough to impart enough momentum or to engage in collisions. 😊

[quote="Sa Ji Tario" post_id=336643 time=1706622258]
Does anyone know about the first missiles that were launched at the Moon and did not hit the target, is the direction they took known and where they would be heading depending on the position of the Moon at that time?
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"Missiles"?

For lack of a sorely needed consolidated SPEC sheet, I cobbled together this from https://www.jaxa.jp/projects/files/youtube/sas/20220315_slim_lev_document03.pdf and https://www.isas.jaxa.jp/home/slim/SLIM/index.html

And I used a free online pdf translation tool (https://www.onlinedoctranslator.com) to translate the first PDF.


[attachment=0]slim lunar mission specs.jpg[/attachment]


Note the 1000x mass difference between the main lander and the larger rover (LEV-1), and the 10000x mass difference between the main lander and the smaller rover (LEV-2), and the intended horizontal direction of the thrusters upon a successful landing of the main lander on the right. That's the main reason they can't use one of the rovers to slam into the main lander and fix its orientation. The other is they were not designed for that! 😊

[quote=ptahhotep post_id=336646 time=1706641509 user_id=144875]
It can't be both on its side and upside down. If it's upside down, then it's on its back. Elsewhere I've seen it described as being on its nose. Which is it?
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It's between being upside down and on it's side (with the thrusters directed horizontally). On it's side is the position it was designed to be in.

It can't be both on its side and upside down. If it's upside down, then it's on its back. Elsewhere I've seen it described as being on its nose. Which is it?

Maybe the small rover should go and bump into Moon Sniper (a nudge, not a destructive bang/collision) so that it stands on it's feet (thrusters touching ground) normal ? Worth experimenting instead of letting it lay there in "vegetable state".. just wondering..

Does anyone know about the first missiles that were launched at the Moon and did not hit the target, is the direction they took known and where they would be heading depending on the position of the Moon at that time?

The blurb seems a little out of date! AS of yesterday, 29th Jan, Japan regained contact with SNIPER:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/29/asia/japan-moon-sniper-lander-resumes-intl-hnk-scn/index.html

John

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