APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

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Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by johnnydeep » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:22 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:24 am
johnnydeep wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:37 pm
VictorBorun wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:03 pm

the black background is the Coal Sack, right[float]Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 20.jpg[/float]

Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 1600.jpg
Wait - so all those background galaxies and stars are actually shining THROUGH the Coal Sack Nebula (in near infrared via NIRcam)?
my bad, sorry
1) Herbig-Haro 46+47 is not in the Coal Sack; here is just its alike, a nameless Bok globule
2) the question mark shaped distant galaxy is not behind the globule; it's aside of it
Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
HH 46 47.jpgHH 46 47-.jpg
No problem. I myself was doubly confused, both in thinking that the dark cloud shown here WAS the Coal Sack (thanks to Ann's mention of it, and me overlooking the "-like" qualifier), and also which side of the dusty divide the dark cloud was on (hint: the cloud is brighter in IR than in visible light!). And so, of course, to answer my own question, there really are stars and galaxies shining through the dark - not Coal Sack! - cloud, in the near IR!

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by VictorBorun » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:36 am

my attempt to use the questioning galaxy as a character in the text failed.
Still I think it gives a nice idea for extra bold font designers
Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 80.jpg
Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 80.jpg (2.08 KiB) Viewed 3810 times

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by VictorBorun » Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:24 am

johnnydeep wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:37 pm
VictorBorun wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:03 pm
Ann wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:34 am Absolutely fascinating, Victor!
Ann
the black background is the Coal Sack, right[float]Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 20.jpg[/float]

Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 1600.jpg
Wait - so all those background galaxies and stars are actually shining THROUGH the Coal Sack Nebula (in near infrared via NIRcam)?
my bad, sorry
1) Herbig-Haro 46+47 is not in the Coal Sack; here is just its alike, a nameless Bok globule
2) the question mark shaped distant galaxy is not behind the globule; it's aside of it
Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
HH 46 47.jpg
HH 46 47-.jpg

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by johnnydeep » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:37 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:03 pm
Ann wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:34 am Absolutely fascinating, Victor!
Ann
the black background is the Coal Sack, right[float]Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 20.jpg[/float]

Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 1600.jpg
Wait - so all those background galaxies and stars are actually shining THROUGH the Coal Sack Nebula (in near infrared via NIRcam)?

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by johnnydeep » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:28 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:00 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:09 pm The ? mark even looks like it's receding from us at an angle, top first, just like the Star Wars movie opening text (though the angle is not nearly as steep)!
a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
Image
Yup, that's the text I was referring to.

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by VictorBorun » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:03 pm

Ann wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:34 am Absolutely fascinating, Victor!
Ann
the black background is the Coal Sack, right[float]
Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 20.jpg
Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 20.jpg (564 Bytes) Viewed 3848 times
[/float]
Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 1600.jpg

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by VictorBorun » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:00 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:09 pm The ? mark even looks like it's receding from us at an angle, top first, just like the Star Wars movie opening text (though the angle is not nearly as steep)!
a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
Image

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by johnnydeep » Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:09 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:29 am James Webb Space Telescope spies giant cosmic question mark in deep spaceHerbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 200.jpg
...
Yes, that is very cool. The ? mark even looks like it's receding from us at an angle, top first, just like the Star Wars movie opening text (though the angle is not nearly as steep)!

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by Ann » Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:34 am

VictorBorun wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:29 am James Webb Space Telescope spies giant cosmic question mark in deep spaceHerbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 200.jpg
Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 400.jpg
Herbig-Haro 46+47 (NIRCam Compass Image) 800.jpg
Absolutely fascinating, Victor!

Ann

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by VictorBorun » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:29 am

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by johnnydeep » Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:00 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:55 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:58 pm I suppose the "tightly bound pair" of stars are too close to distinguish at the center of the prominent red diffraction spikes in this image. Here's a close-up from the zoomable image at one of the links that still doesn't seem to resolve them.
Diffraction spikes can only carry a small fraction of the total intensity of the stars that produce them, so they cannot easily mask a star. This image has been processed to bring out faint structures, which means that stars (and diffraction spikes) are massively saturated. But they may not be saturated in the source images, meaning that the stars are likely resolved, but you need the unstretched, high dynamic range data, not the processed aesthetic image.
Ok, thanks.

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:55 pm

I wonder if there in fact is a pair of jets drowned in the spikes.
If only the JWST finds the time for another exposure, when the spikes would align differently

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by Ann » Sat Jul 29, 2023 3:42 am

AVAO wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:57 pm
APOD Robot wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:36 pm Image Young Stars, Stellar Jets

...Their energetic stellar jets extend for nearly a light-year, burrowing into the dark interstellar material...
Here you can see how the alien head has grown in 28 years :twisted:
Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
Credit: NASA/ESA (HST1995/JWST 2023)

Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
Credit: NASA/ESA (HST 2021/JWST 2023)

Image
Credit: ESO/Bo Reipurth
https://www.eso.org/public/ireland/images/eso1336c/
Absolutely fascinating, AVAO!

And I was not aware that the star creating these well-known jets was located at the edge of a Coalsack-like cloud!

Ann

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by AVAO » Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:57 pm

APOD Robot wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:36 pm Image Young Stars, Stellar Jets

...Their energetic stellar jets extend for nearly a light-year, burrowing into the dark interstellar material...
Here you can see how the alien head has grown in 28 years :twisted:
Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
Credit: NASA/ESA (HST1995/JWST 2023)

Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
Credit: NASA/ESA (HST 2021/JWST 2023)

Image
Credit: ESO/Bo Reipurth
https://www.eso.org/public/ireland/images/eso1336c/

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:55 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:58 pm I suppose the "tightly bound pair" of stars are too close to distinguish at the center of the prominent red diffraction spikes in this image. Here's a close-up from the zoomable image at one of the links that still doesn't seem to resolve them.
Diffraction spikes can only carry a small fraction of the total intensity of the stars that produce them, so they cannot easily mask a star. This image has been processed to bring out faint structures, which means that stars (and diffraction spikes) are massively saturated. But they may not be saturated in the source images, meaning that the stars are likely resolved, but you need the unstretched, high dynamic range data, not the processed aesthetic image.

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by AVAO » Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:49 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:58 pm I suppose the "tightly bound pair" of stars are too close to distinguish at the center of the prominent red diffraction spikes in this image. Here's a close-up from the zoomable image at one of the links that still doesn't seem to resolve them.


hh46,47 center pair.jpg
"The source of HH 46/47 is a binary class I protostar located inside a dark cloud of gas and dust, undetectable at visual wavelengths."

Yes. I also think this is the case. biggg: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/530 ... 2671_o.jpg
jac berne (flickr)

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by orin stepanek » Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:31 pm

HH46-47_JWST1030.jpg
All the Oh's and Aw's I hah for the beautiful Hubble photos will give
way to the beauty from the JWST! :wink:

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by johnnydeep » Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:58 pm

I suppose the "tightly bound pair" of stars are too close to distinguish at the center of the prominent red diffraction spikes in this image. Here's a close-up from the zoomable image at one of the links that still doesn't seem to resolve them.

hh46,47 center pair.jpg

Re: APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by Christian G. » Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:08 pm

And the nebula said, "Let there be light"!
I just love such close-up images of stars being born (S106, L1527 etc, now this brand new one), they leave me with a quasi mystical feeling of witnessing where it all begins.

APOD: Young Stars, Stellar Jets (2023 Jul 28)

by APOD Robot » Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:36 pm

Image Young Stars, Stellar Jets

Explanation: High-speed outflows of molecular gas from a pair of actively forming young stars shine in infrared light, revealing themselves in this NIRcam image from the James Webb Space Telescope. Cataloged as HH (Herbig-Haro) 46/47, the young stars are lodged within a dark nebula that is largely opaque when viewed in visible light. The pair lie at the center of the prominent reddish diffraction spikes in the NIRcam image. Their energetic stellar jets extend for nearly a light-year, burrowing into the dark interstellar material. A tantalizing object to explore with Webb's infrared capabilities, this young star system is relatively nearby, located only some 1,140 light-years distant in the nautical constellation Vela.

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