by Ann » Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:23 am
VictorBorun wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:37 am
johnnydeep wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:43 pm
VictorBorun wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:28 am
You just went and deleted the largest mushroom stem in question!
Making it just an interface between two bubbles, a wall or a membrane visually thickening where it's edge-on for us.
A bubble can well have radius of 10 ly. No magnetic tube required
Well, how do we really distinguish between the two? Sometimes I think we are too prone to see things that aren't really there.
I think
1) a jet in a magnetic tube has smooth cylinder walls while
2) a wall or a filament between 2 or 3 touching bubbles has a hazy surface of trailing matter all around and
3) a cometary trunk is smoothe at its head part and has a source of stellar wind in its vicinity blowing onto the head
Look at an edge-on disk galaxy. The dusty curls at the both surfaces of the disk look like parts of bubbles' shells visible where a bubble crushes into the dense bubble foam of the disk.
Those dusty lanes are hazy all over.
And look at a planetary nebula. The walls are glossy-smoothe:
The reason why there are "bubbles" emanating from the central dust lane of spiral galaxies is that there have been numerous powerful supernova explosions from massive stars in the dust lane. (And there have been powerful supernova events of type Ia from not so massive stars, too.)
Not all planetary nebulas are glassy-smooth. I'd say that few are. But the difference between the "bubbles" (which are called chimneys) in the central dust lane of spiral galaxies and and the shape of the outflows of planetary nebulas is that the chimneys in spiral galaxies have been caused by so very many stellar explosions, whereas the planetary nebula has been cause by just one star (single or binary) that "shrugged off" its outer atmosphere and started blowing a very harsh stellar wind.
There are two huge gamma ray bubbles emanating from the center of the Milky Way, which are probably the remnants of some sort of incredibly powerful outburst from our galaxy's central black hole.
So I'd say there is not a great shortage of bubbles in the Universe. Rings, however, seems like another matter to me.
But surely the Earth moves along a ring-shaped orbit, right? Well, not exactly.
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Check out this video, almost 22 minutes long (sorry), on how the Earth moves.
Ann
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You just went and deleted the largest mushroom stem in question!
Making it just an interface between two bubbles, a wall or a membrane visually thickening where it's edge-on for us.
A bubble can well have radius of 10 ly. No magnetic tube required
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Well, how do we really distinguish between the two? Sometimes I think we are too prone to see things that aren't really there.
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I think
1) a jet in a magnetic tube has smooth cylinder walls while
2) a wall or a filament between 2 or 3 touching bubbles has a hazy surface of trailing matter all around and
3) a cometary trunk is smoothe at its head part and has a source of stellar wind in its vicinity blowing onto the head
Look at an edge-on disk galaxy. The dusty curls at the both surfaces of the disk look like parts of bubbles' shells visible where a bubble crushes into the dense bubble foam of the disk.
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Those dusty lanes are hazy all over.
And look at a planetary nebula. The walls are glossy-smoothe:
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The reason why there are "bubbles" emanating from the central dust lane of spiral galaxies is that there have been numerous powerful supernova explosions from massive stars in the dust lane. (And there have been powerful supernova events of type Ia from not so massive stars, too.)
Not all planetary nebulas are glassy-smooth. I'd say that few are. But the difference between the "bubbles" (which are called chimneys) in the central dust lane of spiral galaxies and and the shape of the outflows of planetary nebulas is that the chimneys in spiral galaxies have been caused by so very many stellar explosions, whereas the planetary nebula has been cause by just one star (single or binary) that "shrugged off" its outer atmosphere and started blowing a very harsh stellar wind.
[float=left][img3="A giant gamma-ray structure emerges by processing Fermi all-sky data at energies from 1 to 10 GeV. The dumbbell-shaped feature emerges from the galactic center and extends 50 degrees north and south from the plane of the Milky Way. As a supermassive black hole weighing about 4 million times the sun's mass also lurks in the galactic center, these 'gamma-ray bubbles' may have arisen as a result of a past eruption by the black hole or another source near the galactic center. Credit: NASA/DOE/Fermi LAT/D. Finkbeiner, et al."]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Fermi_all-sky_survey%2C_1-10_GeV%2C_revealing_Fermi_Bubbles.jpg/1024px-Fermi_all-sky_survey%2C_1-10_GeV%2C_revealing_Fermi_Bubbles.jpg[/img3][/float]
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There are two huge gamma ray bubbles emanating from the center of the Milky Way, which are probably the remnants of some sort of incredibly powerful outburst from our galaxy's central black hole.
So I'd say there is not a great shortage of bubbles in the Universe. Rings, however, seems like another matter to me.
But surely the Earth moves along a ring-shaped orbit, right? Well, not exactly.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJhgZBn-LHg[/youtube]
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Check out this video, almost 22 minutes long (sorry), on how the Earth moves.
Ann