by MarkBour » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:02 am
neufer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:08 pm
Ann wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:20 pm
APOD Robot wrote:
A close-up of the inner edge of the Helix Nebula shows complex gas knots of unknown origin.
To me as an amateur, the gas knots at the inner edge of the Helix Nebula seem straightforward enough. They would be at least somewhat similar to the
"Pillars of Creation" in the Eagle Nebula, and they would be caused by a related phenomenon: The strong wind and energetic photons produced by extremely hot stars, that eat away at the edge of a dusty and gaseous nebula of some sort.
- But a dusty and gaseous nebula of WHAT sort
And why so thin & straight with knots all along?
I have enjoyed reading a bit about these cometary globules. One nice reference is at:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1 ... /fulltext/ where they examined one at high resolution and found CO and H
2.
This gives me an idea. Most ideas like this that I have will fail, of course:
Imagining that as part of the death of the star it "boiled" most of the planets and moons and some of the outer bodies (if it had a region like our Kuiper belt), then as the later shock blows everything out of the middle of the planetary nebula, there is still enough matter from those bodies to drag through the expanding gas shell, in the manner that Ann described. This is the matter of which that star system's icy and gas giant bodies were formed. In the Helix Nebula, as this material is pushed outward, but lagging behind much of the thinner ejecta, it finally cools again and begins to condense. In short, my hypothesis is that these globules are made in part from the matter that was once in the planets, moons, asteroids, comets (i.e. the planetary disk) that circled the central star. That may just be part of the condensation, perhaps some of the star's matter is in them, too.
Even if I'm wrong, I have a feeling that one way or another, the term "planetary nebula" will eventually become an appropriate name for these structures, moreso than is currently considered to be the case.
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[quote=Ann post_id=289823 time=1550074828 user_id=129702]
[quote]APOD Robot wrote:
A close-up of the inner edge of the Helix Nebula shows complex gas knots of unknown origin.[/quote]
To me as an amateur, the gas knots at the inner edge of the Helix Nebula seem straightforward enough. They would be at least somewhat similar to the [url=http://www.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/dn10925-2_450.jpg]"Pillars of Creation"[/url] in the Eagle Nebula, and they would be caused by a related phenomenon: The strong wind and energetic photons produced by extremely hot stars, that eat away at the edge of a dusty and gaseous nebula of some sort.[/quote]
[list][b][u]But a dusty and gaseous nebula of [color=#FF0000]WHAT[/color] sort :?:
[color=#0080AF]And why so thin & straight with knots all along?[/color][/u][/b]
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I have enjoyed reading a bit about these cometary globules. One nice reference is at: [url]https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1086/342021/fulltext/[/url] where they examined one at high resolution and found CO and H[sub]2[/sub].
This gives me an idea. Most ideas like this that I have will fail, of course:
Imagining that as part of the death of the star it "boiled" most of the planets and moons and some of the outer bodies (if it had a region like our Kuiper belt), then as the later shock blows everything out of the middle of the planetary nebula, there is still enough matter from those bodies to drag through the expanding gas shell, in the manner that Ann described. This is the matter of which that star system's icy and gas giant bodies were formed. In the Helix Nebula, as this material is pushed outward, but lagging behind much of the thinner ejecta, it finally cools again and begins to condense. In short, my hypothesis is that these globules are made in part from the matter that was once in the planets, moons, asteroids, comets (i.e. the planetary disk) that circled the central star. That may just be part of the condensation, perhaps some of the star's matter is in them, too.
Even if I'm wrong, I have a feeling that one way or another, the term "planetary nebula" will eventually become an appropriate name for these structures, moreso than is currently considered to be the case.