by neufer » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:30 pm
Chris Peterson wrote:neufer wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose wrote:
<<Sir Roger Penrose (born 8 August 1931) has written books on the connection between fundamental physics and human (or animal) consciousness. In The Emperor's New Mind (1989), he argues that known laws of physics are inadequate to explain the phenomenon of consciousness. Penrose responded to criticism of The Emperor's New Mind with his follow up 1994 book Shadows of the Mind, and in 1997 with The Large, the Small and the Human Mind.
In those works, he also combined his observations with that of anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff. Penrose and Hameroff have argued that consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in microtubules, which they dubbed Orch-OR (orchestrated objective reduction). Max Tegmark, in a paper in Physical Review E, calculated that the time scale of neuron firing and excitations in microtubules is slower than the decoherence time by a factor of at least 10,000,000,000.>>
Yeah. Penrose is one of those insane geniuses who doesn't know enough to shut up about that which he has no understanding of. Consciousness is something he should not be discussing. Indeed, anybody who invokes quantum mechanics in discussing consciousness is better off communing with Deepak Chopra than with the scientific community.
"If a man will begin with certainties, he will end in doubts;
but if he will be content to begin with doubts,
he will end in certainties."--Sir Francis Bacon
[quote="Chris Peterson"][quote="neufer"][quote=" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose"]
<<Sir Roger Penrose (born 8 August 1931) has written books on the connection between fundamental physics and human (or animal) consciousness. In The Emperor's New Mind (1989), he argues that known laws of physics are inadequate to explain the phenomenon of consciousness. Penrose responded to criticism of The Emperor's New Mind with his follow up 1994 book Shadows of the Mind, and in 1997 with The Large, the Small and the Human Mind.
In those works, he also combined his observations with that of anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff. Penrose and Hameroff have argued that consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in microtubules, which they dubbed Orch-OR (orchestrated objective reduction). Max Tegmark, in a paper in Physical Review E, calculated that the time scale of neuron firing and excitations in microtubules is slower than the decoherence time by a factor of at least 10,000,000,000.>>[/quote][/quote]
Yeah. Penrose is one of those insane geniuses who doesn't know enough to shut up about that which he has no understanding of. Consciousness is something he should not be discussing. Indeed, anybody who invokes quantum mechanics in discussing consciousness is better off communing with Deepak Chopra than with the scientific community.[/quote]
[c][b][i][color=#0000FF]"If a man will begin with certainties, he will end in doubts;
but if he will be content to begin with doubts,
he will end in certainties."[/color][/i]--Sir Francis Bacon[/b][/c]