by FLPhotoCatcher » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:41 pm
Chris Peterson wrote:I don't understand the test. We have made measurements of the gravitational constant to as fine a degree as our instrumentation currently makes possible (which is not very good compared with most other measurements of universal constants), and it has shown no variation with position, mass, or distance.
The explanation of the test is this: If the heavy weight is removed due to a truly random number on the random number generator, it is likely to not have been removed in most AUs, meaning it's gravity may still be detectable with a sensitive detector. The weight may need to be in place for at least a month or so, and be removed very quickly, with the detector measuring constantly to detect any variation of what would normally be expected. I propose that gravity is the strong force "leaking through" from countless AUs where the masses are shifting (diffusing) in physical location due to differing laws of physics. The Earth may even be disintegrating into separate atoms in these AUs. This
gradient of mass/strong force would then pull atoms toward this higher concentration that exists in the multiverse.
Chris Peterson wrote:I would say that very few scientists believe in such a thing. Because there is no evidence. It is highly speculative and nobody has a way to even test the idea. It's a mathematical abstraction that many find interesting, but not enough to rise to "belief". There is absolutely zero evidence supporting any "6th sense" (and it has been aggressively sought). And there is no "strange atomic behavior" that isn't better explained by other theories (not that the multiverse idea really rises to the level of scientific theory).
Scientists who support the idea include: Michio Kaku, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Leonard Susskind, and Stephen Hawking, to name just a few. In the traditional Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, the wave function is said to “collapse” when the measurement is taken, but it isn’t clear how this happens. In the multiverse, the wave function never collapses: rather, it describes the property across multiple universes. In this universe, the atom’s spin is up; in another universe, it’s down. Schrödinger posited that until you look, his famous cat exists simultaneously in two quantum states, one living and one dead. Hugh Everett posited that when we open the box and look, all that really happens is we learn which of the two living/dead cat universes we happen to be in.
It was Hugh Everett who devised the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. The theory sounds like a bizarre hypothesis, but in fact Everett derived it from the fundamental mathematics of quantum mechanics. The "Many Interacting Worlds interpretation" is a recent similar theory. This theory (or hypothesis) explains
why, in the classic two-slit experiment, light (and even atoms) exhibit
self interference, and
why particles can occasionally “tunnel” through insurmountable barriers as though they weren’t there at all. The two-slit experiment
is one piece of evidence for AUs.
And there is some evidence of "precognition".
http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/11/04/pre ... -mind-can/
Yes, evidence for it has been "aggressively sought" (by a relative few), but the very idea of it has most certainly been aggressively, and most unscientifically, mocked and buried. We all have probably been directly or indirectly influenced by people like Lee Nisbet, former Executive Director of CSICOP. He said, “[Belief in psi is] a very dangerous phenomenon. Dangerous to science, dangerous to the basic fabric of our society… We feel it is the duty of the scientific community to show that these beliefs are utterly screwball.” But that kind of thinking is
dogma, not a trait a fair-minded scientist should have.
The Many Interacting Worlds theory is not just something to seriously consider for the sake of
truth, but, "if, for instance, the interaction of different universes could influence the speed of a chemical reaction, then knowing the mechanics of how those universes interact could help with virtually any area of modern science. A more precise and far-seeing way to predict how quantum phenomena will proceed could impact everything from industrial processes to quantum cryptography." Quantum computing would be another use of the effects of Many Interacting Worlds.
Scientists, and thinkers in general, seem to want to desperately quash the idea of "many worlds", probably because it seems almost like a religion, but also because it could have serious social consequences. Some may fear that if it was accepted by the public, people would jump off buildings and do other crazy things, knowing they were basically immortal. But while they may
survive (from their perspective), their quality of life may best be described as 'hell on earth'. This could be grasped by all - surviving as a quadriplegic or a head in a jar would not be fun or painless.
[quote="Chris Peterson"]I don't understand the test. We have made measurements of the gravitational constant to as fine a degree as our instrumentation currently makes possible (which is not very good compared with most other measurements of universal constants), and it has shown no variation with position, mass, or distance.[/quote]
The explanation of the test is this: If the heavy weight is removed due to a truly random number on the random number generator, it is likely to not have been removed in most AUs, meaning it's gravity may still be detectable with a sensitive detector. The weight may need to be in place for at least a month or so, and be removed very quickly, with the detector measuring constantly to detect any variation of what would normally be expected. I propose that gravity is the strong force "leaking through" from countless AUs where the masses are shifting (diffusing) in physical location due to differing laws of physics. The Earth may even be disintegrating into separate atoms in these AUs. This [i]gradient[/i] of mass/strong force would then pull atoms toward this higher concentration that exists in the multiverse.
[quote="Chris Peterson"]I would say that very few scientists believe in such a thing. Because there is no evidence. It is highly speculative and nobody has a way to even test the idea. It's a mathematical abstraction that many find interesting, but not enough to rise to "belief". There is absolutely zero evidence supporting any "6th sense" (and it has been aggressively sought). And there is no "strange atomic behavior" that isn't better explained by other theories (not that the multiverse idea really rises to the level of scientific theory).[/quote]
Scientists who support the idea include: Michio Kaku, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Leonard Susskind, and Stephen Hawking, to name just a few. In the traditional Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, the wave function is said to “collapse” when the measurement is taken, but it isn’t clear how this happens. In the multiverse, the wave function never collapses: rather, it describes the property across multiple universes. In this universe, the atom’s spin is up; in another universe, it’s down. Schrödinger posited that until you look, his famous cat exists simultaneously in two quantum states, one living and one dead. Hugh Everett posited that when we open the box and look, all that really happens is we learn which of the two living/dead cat universes we happen to be in.
It was Hugh Everett who devised the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics. The theory sounds like a bizarre hypothesis, but in fact Everett derived it from the fundamental mathematics of quantum mechanics. The "Many Interacting Worlds interpretation" is a recent similar theory. This theory (or hypothesis) explains [b][i]why[/i][/b], in the classic two-slit experiment, light (and even atoms) exhibit [b]self[/b] interference, and [b][i]why[/i][/b] particles can occasionally “tunnel” through insurmountable barriers as though they weren’t there at all. The two-slit experiment [i]is one piece of evidence[/i] for AUs.
And there is some evidence of "precognition". http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/11/04/precognition-real-cornell-university-lab-releases-powerful-new-evidence-human-mind-can/
Yes, evidence for it has been "aggressively sought" (by a relative few), but the very idea of it has most certainly been aggressively, and most unscientifically, mocked and buried. We all have probably been directly or indirectly influenced by people like Lee Nisbet, former Executive Director of CSICOP. He said, “[Belief in psi is] a very dangerous phenomenon. Dangerous to science, dangerous to the basic fabric of our society… We feel it is the duty of the scientific community to show that these beliefs are utterly screwball.” But that kind of thinking is [i]dogma[/i], not a trait a fair-minded scientist should have.
The Many Interacting Worlds theory is not just something to seriously consider for the sake of [i]truth[/i], but, "if, for instance, the interaction of different universes could influence the speed of a chemical reaction, then knowing the mechanics of how those universes interact could help with virtually any area of modern science. A more precise and far-seeing way to predict how quantum phenomena will proceed could impact everything from industrial processes to quantum cryptography." Quantum computing would be another use of the effects of Many Interacting Worlds.
Scientists, and thinkers in general, seem to want to desperately quash the idea of "many worlds", probably because it seems almost like a religion, but also because it could have serious social consequences. Some may fear that if it was accepted by the public, people would jump off buildings and do other crazy things, knowing they were basically immortal. But while they may [i]survive[/i] (from their perspective), their quality of life may best be described as 'hell on earth'. This could be grasped by all - surviving as a quadriplegic or a head in a jar would not be fun or painless.