APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

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Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Cousin Ricky » Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:51 pm

geoffrey.landis wrote:There are, I'm told, good reasons for vertical exaggeration, but I really wish that this would be explicitly called out when it is done.
This!

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Fred the Cat » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:13 pm

Once upon a time there was an idea to cook up a Venusian delight. Wonder how it turned out?

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Astronymus » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:36 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Astronymus wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote: At least, not until last week.
As this study is still controversial there were already theses that a a massive impact event might trigger volcanic cataclysms. Such events in the past may not be traceable today as earth tectonic could destroy evidence through subduction of marine floor.
The connection between the impact and the climate change is arguably controversial. The likelihood that the evidence indicates a major impact (which is what Ann was talking about) is not.
That's what I meant. In my non-native speaker's style. :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:31 pm

Astronymus wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
Ann wrote:Fascinatingly, though, the BBC documentary claimed that no signs of other major meteorite impacts have been found in the bedrock of the Earth, even though our planet has experienced several other extinction events.
At least, not until last week.
As this study is still controversial there were already theses that a a massive impact event might trigger volcanic cataclysms. Such events in the past may not be traceable today as earth tectonic could destroy evidence through subduction of marine floor.
The connection between the impact and the climate change is arguably controversial. The likelihood that the evidence indicates a major impact (which is what Ann was talking about) is not.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Astronymus » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:20 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Ann wrote:Fascinatingly, though, the BBC documentary claimed that no signs of other major meteorite impacts have been found in the bedrock of the Earth, even though our planet has experienced several other extinction events.
At least, not until last week.
As this study is still controversial there were already theses that a a massive impact event might trigger volcanic cataclysms. Such events in the past may not be traceable today as earth tectonic could destroy evidence through subduction of marine floor.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:24 am

Ann wrote:Fascinatingly, though, the BBC documentary claimed that no signs of other major meteorite impacts have been found in the bedrock of the Earth, even though our planet has experienced several other extinction events.
At least, not until last week.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Ann » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:55 am

Astronymus wrote:Looks like rock plates wobbling above calderae. As Venus has no earthlike tectonics this may be the way für the planet to release "pressure".

Venus may be a pressure cooker. Would explain all those vapors in the atmosphere. :wink:
Yes, Venus might be a pressure cooker.

I think that whether or not Venus is a pressure cooker now, my guess is that it used to be like that in the past. Having no plate tectonics may indeed lead to the buildup of extreme stress in the crust.

I, too, think that the extremely thick greenhouse-gas atmosphere of Venus is most likely the product of massive volcanic eruptions.

Some time ago I saw a BBC documentary about huge extinction events in the Earth's past. A lot of attention was given to the catastrophe that befell the Earth about 65 million years ago, when a large space boulder hit our planet. Clear signs of that catastrophe can be found in an iridium layer in the bedrock in many places on the Earth.

Fascinatingly, though, the BBC documentary claimed that no signs of other major meteorite impacts have been found in the bedrock of the Earth, even though our planet has experienced several other extinction events. The largest known extinction event, known as the Permian-Triassic extinction event, which killed some 90-96% of all species of the Earth, including the highly successful trilobite, may have been caused by an extremely violent and prolonged series of volcanic eruptions on the Earth, specifically in what is now Siberia.

Volcanism may be worse on Venus than on the Earth, thereby possibly explaining not only the terrible atmosphere of Venus but also, perhaps, the cylindrical mountains.

Ann

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by geckzilla » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:40 am

bystander wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
geckzilla wrote:Strange, I couldn't find a single malformed link.
Yeah. Weird. About half the links when I first tried were broken. A kind of broken I've seen before, where they looked like a local link with a URL tacked on the end. I was wondering if the vertical scale was exaggerated, and couldn't get to the "featured image" without editing the link. Fine now, though. Must have just caught the server acting up briefly.
I fixed the links here last night after seeing Chris's first post. The APOD page source has many links preceded with a space (href=" ). Everywhere that occurred in the source, the link here was preceded with 'http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/%20'.
I updated the script to get rid of those spaces in the future. I'm sure some silly mistakes will still happen, but at least a single space will be fixed.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by heehaw » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:02 pm

I think some are experiencing, well, Venereal, er, dis-ease.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Rathkennamike » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:25 pm

Hack Scribbler wrote:I think they're eons-old impact craters.
I agree, the item front and just off centre looks like an impact crater (vertical exagguration accepted)

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by jhagerty@juno.com » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:41 pm

Stevie wrote:The conspiracy theorists will have a field day with the dark rectangles!
It's obviously the start of the trans-Venusian railway.

- Jack

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Astronymus » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:01 pm

Looks like rock plates wobbling above calderae. As Venus has no earthlike tectonics this may be the way für the planet to release "pressure".

Venus may be a pressure cooker. Would explain all those vapors in the atmosphere. :wink:

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by leon.l7027@gmail.com » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:49 pm

Puts me in mind of the giant Yellowstone caldera.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Boomer12k » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:41 pm

Love the Alien "space port" indicators....just follow the hash marks...

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Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Boomer12k » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:40 pm

Possible hot spot underneath. Maybe Venusian plate movement, and pressure...maybe large Magma Chamber underneath, like Yellowstone National Park...

Hey.... HOT SPRINGS.... goin' ta Venus...ah'm gonna be rich!!!!!

My guesses...

:---[===] *

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by neufer » Sun Oct 16, 2016 5:06 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
JohnD wrote:
No idea about links; vertical exaggeration just lets you see the formation when otherwise you couldn't.

What as these "coronas"? The only Earthlike formation I can think of is a volcanic plug, frozen magma in an eroded volcano, but then I'm no geologist.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by JohnD » Sun Oct 16, 2016 4:37 pm

No idea about links; vertical exaggeration just lets you see the formation when otherwise you couldn't.

What as these "coronas"? The only Earthlike formation I can think of is a volcanic plug, frozen magma in an eroded volcano, but then I'm no geologist.

JOhn

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by geoffrey.landis » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:41 pm

There are, I'm told, good reasons for vertical exaggeration, but I really wish that this would be explicitly called out when it is done.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by bystander » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:11 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
geckzilla wrote:Strange, I couldn't find a single malformed link.
Yeah. Weird. About half the links when I first tried were broken. A kind of broken I've seen before, where they looked like a local link with a URL tacked on the end. I was wondering if the vertical scale was exaggerated, and couldn't get to the "featured image" without editing the link. Fine now, though. Must have just caught the server acting up briefly.
I fixed the links here last night after seeing Chris's first post. The APOD page source has many links preceded with a space (href=" ). Everywhere that occurred in the source, the link here was preceded with 'http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/%20'.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Coil_Smoke » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:09 pm

Stevie wrote:The conspiracy theorists will have a field day with the dark rectangles!
More curious than those projection calibration marks is the path winding across and up the floor of Atete Carona ...

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:36 pm

Cousin Ricky wrote:This image just screams vertical exaggeration at me, but I can't find any text stating so.
If you look at the linked geological map, the vertical range of the structure is no more than 3 km. So it's clearly been very exaggerated.

EDIT: here's the altimetry map, with Atete Corona circled.
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Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Hack Scribbler » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:30 pm

I think they're eons-old impact craters.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Cousin Ricky » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:19 pm

This image just screams vertical exaggeration at me, but I can't find any text stating so.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:10 pm

geckzilla wrote:Strange, I couldn't find a single malformed link.
Yeah. Weird. About half the links when I first tried were broken. A kind of broken I've seen before, where they looked like a local link with a URL tacked on the end. I was wondering if the vertical scale was exaggerated, and couldn't get to the "featured image" without editing the link. Fine now, though. Must have just caught the server acting up briefly.

Re: APOD: Cylindrical Mountains on Venus (2016 Oct 16)

by heehaw » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:09 pm

Vertical exaggeration! So many pictures are, well, falsified. Always for noble reasons, of course. I remember reading of a tourist complaining, in a tour of Virginia's Luray Caverns, at the guide using UV to cause rocks to fluoresce. "Not natural! I want the natural appearance," he said. The guide agreed, and obligingly turned off all of the lights.

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