Starship Asterisk*

by **Fred the Cat** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:16 pm

suicidejunkie wrote:
Fred the Cat wrote:Not to scare the crap out of everyone but some life forms seem very capable to survival.
We're talking about extreme heating from reentry, and turning things into blobs of plasma.

"You wouldn't really die of anything, in the traditional sense. You would just stop being biology and start being physics."

I think you are on to something. Earth biology might need to conform to rules but life might take on any form physics has to offer as long as it reaches a structural complexity. Synaptic plasticity might arise spontaneously once enough connections are generated and maintained. Maybe we are all black holes because we are just complex enough?

Eh, probably not.

by **suicidejunkie** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:15 pm

Fred the Cat wrote:Not to scare the crap out of everyone but some life forms seem very capable to survival.

We're talking about extreme heating from reentry, and turning things into blobs of plasma.

"You wouldn't really die of anything, in the traditional sense. You would just stop being biology and start being physics."

by **Ann** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:11 pm

Art wrote:

(It's Ninja Turtles all the way down in the sewers of New York City.)

Ann

by **Fred the Cat** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:09 pm

Not to scare the crap out of everyone but some life forms seem very capable of survival. Some that may not even be a life form.

What did Michael Crichton write? “Life will find a way.”

by **neufer** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:29 pm

: [b][color=#0000FF][size=150]Besides which... Jupiter has no curse on it.[/size][/color][/b]

Chris Peterson wrote:
naleta wrote:
So they aren't worried about contaminating Jupiter? Some microbes can survive great heat, you know.
Nothing can survive entry heat. And beyond reasonable doubt, no microbe can survive for long in the conditions of Jupiter.

by **Chris Peterson** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:28 pm

naleta wrote:So they aren't worried about contaminating Jupiter? Some microbes can survive great heat, you know.

Nothing can survive entry heat. And beyond reasonable doubt, no microbe can survive for long in the conditions of Jupiter.

by **naleta** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:06 pm

So they aren't worried about contaminating Jupiter? Some microbes can survive great heat, you know.

by **kingernie** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:54 am

DirecTv guide for NASA TV doesn't show coverage for the event on the 4th. Anybody know anything about that?

by **Sarba Guha** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:00 pm

This is as great a trailer as I have ever seen.

Should have ended............"Coming soon to a theater near Jupiter".

by **neufer** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:47 pm

Steve Dutch wrote:
neufer: Are you serious about the "rad" definition?

I'm shocked that you dare to question my sincerity!

Steve Dutch wrote:
Because it was used long, long before Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and stands for "radiation absorbed dose." It equaled 100 ergs per gram, and the SI unit is the gray (joules per kilogram). One gray equals 100 rads, so 5 grays is the approximate average lethal dose (your mileage may vary).

Well...how do you suppose that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles mutated in the first place

(It's Ninja Turtles all the way down in the sewers of New York City.)

by **Boomer12k** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:45 pm

Very Dramatic....

"in space....anything can happen...."

Ooooooooooooo.....

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by **Chris Peterson** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:33 pm

Steve Dutch wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
Steve Dutch wrote:I wonder how many questions about Jupiter's atmosphere we could have answered if we hadn't wasted the Galileo probe by failing to equip it with a camera.
Probably not much. It's doubtful a camera would have provided all that much scientifically useful data. (And there were excellent reasons for not having a camera.)
Sure, if you define seeing the cloud structure as unimportant.

It's doubtful a camera would show much of that from inside the cloud layers. As on Earth, the optical spectrum is not the preferred way to study clouds. But like I said, there were very good reasons not to have a camera. Its absence wasn't an accident.

by **Steve Dutch** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:29 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Steve Dutch wrote:I wonder how many questions about Jupiter's atmosphere we could have answered if we hadn't wasted the Galileo probe by failing to equip it with a camera.
Probably not much. It's doubtful a camera would have provided all that much scientifically useful data. (And there were excellent reasons for not having a camera.)

Sure, if you define seeing the cloud structure as unimportant.

by **JohnD** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:28 pm

Markus Schwarz wrote:A people complain that scientists don’t know what they are doing.

Or saying.
Quote, re Jupiter, "It's spinning around so fast, it's like a giant slingshot".
That'll be the exobiologist then, not a physicist, or an engineer or a flight planner.
Or else the guy from Central Casting, with the deep dramatic voice, who was allowed to write his own script.

Shrugs
John

by **Steve Dutch** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:27 pm

neufer: Are you serious about the "rad" definition? Because it was used long, long before Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and stands for "radiation absorbed dose." It equaled 100 ergs per gram, and the SI unit is the gray (joules per kilogram). One gray equals 100 rads, so 5 grays is the approximate average lethal dose (your mileage may vary).

by **Chris Peterson** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:23 pm

Steve Dutch wrote:I wonder how many questions about Jupiter's atmosphere we could have answered if we hadn't wasted the Galileo probe by failing to equip it with a camera.

Probably not much. It's doubtful a camera would have provided all that much scientifically useful data. (And there were excellent reasons for not having a camera.)

by **Steve Dutch** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:19 pm

I wonder how many questions about Jupiter's atmosphere we could have answered if we hadn't wasted the Galileo probe by failing to equip it with a camera.

by **Chris Peterson** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:16 pm

Wadsworth wrote:I didn't like the radiation comparison. .39 Rad exposure at earth is a transient measurement compared to the 20 million Rad exposure they stated for the entire mission. It would be a much better comparison stating the expected average transient Rad measurement at the distance this craft will be orbiting Jupiter.

It would also be nice if they used a proper SI unit for describing the radiation dose. NASA has gotten in trouble in the past because of a failure to use modern units.

by **Wadsworth** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:06 pm

I didn't like the radiation comparison. .39 Rad exposure at earth is a transient measurement compared to the 20 million Rad exposure they stated for the entire mission. It would be a much better comparison stating the expected average transient Rad measurement at the distance this craft will be orbiting Jupiter..
It looks like NASA is increasing its efforts at hyping missions in order to garner the 'layman' public interest.

by **sunson** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:41 pm

Lets call it "J.O.Y." , no? Jupiter does not know about orthography!

by **Evermore** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:08 pm

Is the photo a simulation or actual?

by **Markus Schwarz** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:53 pm

And then scientists are surprised when people complain that scientists don’t know what they are doing. Sure, these movie-trailer like videos get attention, but is it the attention that the mission really needs? The scientists at CERN found out the hard way, when, after hyping the creation of black holes, people started lawsuits to stop their new accelerator.

by **neufer** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:37 pm

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rad wrote:
Rad: An abbreviation of 'radical'--a term made popular by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Still primarily used by people on the West Coast who find words like 'cool', 'awesome', and 'tight' to be tired and overused; 'rad' is generally considered to be a much higher praise than the aforementioned superlatives. Also used as a general expression of awe.

by **Cousin Ricky** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:06 pm

(deep voice) “J. O. I.”

How dramatic!

by **uakrongrad** » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:55 am

Are Ben Affleck and Aerosmith leading the mission too? That trailer seem less like a NASA mission video and more like a Hollywood cinematic...
Commenting specifically about the actual mission, These are exciting times!!!

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