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APOD Robot wrote: Proxima Centauri: The Closest Star

Explanation: Does the closest star to our Sun have planets?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium wrote:
Unobtanium

<<James Cameron's Avatar is set in the mid-22nd century, when humans are colonizing Pandora, a lush habitable moon of a gas giant in the Alpha Centauri star system, in order to mine the mineral unobtanium, a room-temperature superconductor. Unobtainium is any fictional, extremely rare, costly, or impossible material, or (less commonly) device needed to fulfill a given design for a given application. The properties of any particular unobtainium depend on the intended use. For example, a pulley made of unobtainium might be massless and frictionless; however, if used in a nuclear rocket, unobtainium would be light, strong at high temperatures, and resistant to radiation damage. The concept of unobtainium is often applied flippantly or humorously. For instance, unobtainium is described as being stronger than helium, and lighter than air.>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upsidaisium_%28story_arc%29 wrote:

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Upsidaisium

<<Bullwinkle receives a letter informing him that his uncle Dewlap has passed on, leaving him a mine located on Mt. Flatten. Captain Peter "Wrong Way" Peachfuzz has been sent to make sure Rocky and Bullwinkle find Mt. Flatten, as its ore, the anti-gravity metal Upsidaisium, is much sought after by the U.S. government. While under the guise of a pair of prospectors, Boris and Natasha manage to help Rocky and Bullwinkle locate Mt. Flatten, which floats high in the air due to the high amount of Upsidaisium within it. Once they reach the mountain, Boris and Natasha are joined by their intimidating superior, Mr. Big, who tells them that Pottsylvania also seeks Upsidaisium as a means to eliminate a traffic problem (by building cars with the anti-gravity ore). Eventually, thanks to Rocky's ingenuity, Mt. Flatten is transported to Washington D.C., and the Upsidaisium is put under lock and key by the government.>>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununpentium wrote:

[b][color=#0000FF][size=125]Mt. Flatten: The expected location of the island of stability. (The dotted line is the line of beta stability.)[/size][/color][/b]

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Ununpentium: Uup

<<Ununpentium (Uup) is the name of a synthetic superheavy element in the periodic table that has the atomic number 115. Ununpentium is calculated to have some similar properties to its lighter homologues, nitrogen, phosphorus, arsenic, antimony, and bismuth.

Ununpentium is expected to be in the middle of an island of stability centered around copernicium (element 112) and flerovium (element 114): the reasons for the presence of this island are however still not well understood. Due to the expected high fission barriers, any nucleus within this island of stability exclusively decays by alpha decay and perhaps some electron capture and beta decay. Although the known isotopes of ununpentium do not actually have enough neutrons to be on the island of stability, they can be seen to approach the island as in general, the heavier isotopes are the longer-lived ones. Its most stable known isotope, ²⁸⁹Uup, has a half-life of 220 milliseconds.>>

And John clearly was talking about its reasonably bright apparent magnitude of 11 (and not its absolute magnitude of 15.4).

Ann wrote:

jisles wrote:
Pace today's APOD, Proxima Centauri is not unusually faint. Its apparent magnitude is 11 and it can be seen in a small telescope. What was discovered in 1915 was its closeness to us rather than its existence.

It is reasonably bright to us - magnitude 11 - only because it is so close to us. Its absolute magnitude is 15.4, which is really quite faint.

jisles wrote:Pace today's APOD, Proxima Centauri is not unusually faint. Its apparent magnitude is 11 and it can be seen in a small telescope. What was discovered in 1915 was its closeness to us rather than its existence.

John

Cousin Ricky wrote:

Nitpicker wrote:I suppose the list of brightest stars is based on what is resolvable by the unaided eye. So, Alpha Cen is considered brighter than Arcturus.

The explanation referred specifically to “the brightest star in the Alpha Centauri system.”

APOD Robot wrote:The brightest star in the Alpha Centauri system is quite similar to our Sun, has been known as long as recorded history, and is the third brightest star in the night sky.

Ann wrote:

Ron-Astro Pharmacist wrote:If a star gives good evidence for close-up investigation, journeying there will need to be planned exquisitely with respect to where it will be. (As Art pointed out)

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Good point, Ron!

Michael J. Fox, if you had a time machine that sent you back in time without sending you to the exact right point in space in the direction of Carina quite far away from "here", you would end up in empty space and freeze all the body parts off your body.

Ann

Ron-Astro Pharmacist wrote:If a star gives good evidence for close-up investigation, journeying there will need to be planned exquisitely with respect to where it will be. (As Art pointed out)

Cousin Ricky wrote:

Nitpicker wrote:
I suppose the list of brightest stars is based on what is resolvable by the unaided eye.
So, Alpha Cen is considered brighter than Arcturus.

The explanation referred specifically to “the brightest star in the Alpha Centauri system.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_brightest_stars wrote:
This is a list of the brightest naked eye stars, as determined by their maximum, total or combined apparent visual magnitudes as seen from Earth. Although several of the brightest stars are also known close binary or multiple star systems, they do appear to the naked eye as single stars.

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Bayer     Proper name                            V Mag.class
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α CMa     Sirius                                  −1.46
α Car     Canopus                                 −0.74
α Cen AB  Rigil Kent                              −0.27 : (0.01 [+] 1.33) 
α Boo     Arcturus                                −0.05
α Lyr     Vega                                     0.03
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ε Ori     Alnilam                                  1.69
γ Vel     Suhail, Regor*                           1.72 : (1.84 [+] 4.27)
α Gru     Alnair                                   1.74
ε UMa     Alioth                                   1.77
ζ Ori     Alnitak                                  1.77
α UMa     Dubhe                                    1.79
α Per     Mirfak                                   1.80 
δ CMa     Wezen                                    1.82
θ Sco 	 Sargas 	                               1.84

*The name Regor ("Roger" spelled in reverse) was invented as a practical joke by the Apollo 1 astronaut Gus Grissom for his fellow astronaut Roger Chaffee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_star wrote:
<<In observational astronomy, a double star is a pair of stars that appear close to each other in the sky as seen from Earth when viewed through an optical telescope.

There are three types of paired stars:

• optical doubles—unrelated stars that appear close together through chance alignment with Earth
  
  visual binaries—gravitationally-bound stars that are separately visible with a telescope
  
  non-visual binaries—stars whose binary status was deduced through more esoteric means such as occultation (eclipsing binaries), spectroscopy (spectroscopic binaries), or anomalies in proper motion (astrometric binaries).

Conceptually, there is no difference between the latter two categories, and improvements in telescopes can shift previously non-visual binaries into the visual class, as happened with Polaris in 2006. Thus it is only the inability to observe the third group telescopically that makes the difference.

Nitpicker wrote:I suppose the list of brightest stars is based on what is resolvable by the unaided eye. So, Alpha Cen is considered brighter than Arcturus.

Chris Peterson wrote:

rstevenson wrote:With our current knowledge we just might be able to make a small vehicle that could reach something like 10% of the speed of light over that sort of distance, and assuming constant acceleration and no braking at the other end (kind of like the recent Pluto mission), that makes for an average speed of 5%, or 1/20th of light speed. So for such a vehicle to reach Proxima Centauri, at 4.24 ly distance, it would take about 20 x 4.24 = 84.8 years. It would then take a further 4.24 years for the pictures to get back here, for a total of about 89 years from launch. Note that the above is wildly optimistic. Although the theory of how such a ship would operate is understood, no one has ever tried to build one.

It would probably be beyond our current capability. It would not be small, and it would cost more than any other public project ever funded. We don't know how to shield a craft at 0.1c from the kinetic impact of space dust. We don't even know how to make electronics that can reliably survive for 100 years (solid state chips grow internal shorts and fail in decades).

Realistically, this is beyond our means.

APOD Robot wrote:The brightest star in the Alpha Centauri system is quite similar to our Sun, has been known as long as recorded history, and is the third brightest star in the night sky.

neufer wrote:

Ann wrote:
I guess a calculation as weird as that one is only used in string theory and the like. Or do you know of an instance when it is used in "real life", like for example calculating the strength of a bridge?

How about calculating the strength of a traversable wormhole

Ann wrote:
I guess a calculation as weird as that one is only used in string theory and the like. Or do you know of an instance when it is used in "real life", like for example calculating the strength of a bridge?

• How about calculating the strength of a traversable wormhole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_%2B_2_%2B_3_%2B_4_%2B_%E2%8B%AF wrote:
<<The regularization of 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ⋯ is involved in computing the Casimir force for a scalar field in one dimension. An exponential cutoff function suffices to smooth the series, representing the fact that arbitrarily high-energy modes are not blocked by the conducting plates. The spatial symmetry of the problem is responsible for canceling the quadratic term of the expansion. All that is left is the constant term −1/12, and the negative sign of this result reflects the fact that the Casimir force is attractive.

It has been suggested that the Casimir forces have application in nanotechnology, in particular silicon integrated circuit technology based micro- and nanoelectromechanical systems, silicon array propulsion for space drives, and so-called Casimir oscillators.

The Casimir effect shows that quantum field theory allows the energy density in certain regions of space to be negative relative to the ordinary vacuum energy, and it has been shown theoretically that quantum field theory allows states where the energy can be arbitrarily negative at a given point, Many physicists such as Stephen Hawking, Kip Thorne, and others therefore argue that such effects might make it possible to stabilize a traversable wormhole.>>

Chris Peterson wrote:

rstevenson wrote:With our current knowledge we just might be able to make a small vehicle that could reach something like 10% of the speed of light over that sort of distance, and assuming constant acceleration and no braking at the other end (kind of like the recent Pluto mission), that makes for an average speed of 5%, or 1/20th of light speed. So for such a vehicle to reach Proxima Centauri, at 4.24 ly distance, it would take about 20 x 4.24 = 84.8 years. It would then take a further 4.24 years for the pictures to get back here, for a total of about 89 years from launch. Note that the above is wildly optimistic. Although the theory of how such a ship would operate is understood, no one has ever tried to build one.

It would probably be beyond our current capability. It would not be small, and it would cost more than any other public project ever funded. We don't know how to shield a craft at 0.1c from the kinetic impact of space dust. We don't even know how to make electronics that can reliably survive for 100 years (solid state chips grow internal shorts and fail in decades).

Boomer12k wrote:
...maybe SETI should send a tight beam signal there...see if anything returns. That at least is doable, I would think.

• 1) Northern Hemisphere radio telescopes
  2) Known extraterrestrial planetary systems

neufer wrote:

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Ann wrote:
Art, your latest post was your post number 12345

1,2,3,4,5.

I like it!

Ann

Ann wrote:
Art, your latest post was your post number 12345

1,2,3,4,5.

I like it!

Ann

jisles wrote:Pace today's APOD, Proxima Centauri is not unusually faint. Its apparent magnitude is 11 and it can be seen in a small telescope. What was discovered in 1915 was its closeness to us rather than its existence.

APOD Robot wrote:
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