APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

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Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by DavidLeodis » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:52 pm

In the information brought up through the 'nuclear fusion' link in the explanation it states "Like all stars, the sun is a huge fusion reactor, pumping out 100 million times as much energy in a single second as the entire population of Earth uses in a year!". Wow, that is amazing (well it is to me :ssmile:). That's a lot of energy waiting to be exploited. :wink:

Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by starsurfer » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:14 pm

Cousin Ricky wrote:
Can't make it up wrote:I thought that a planetary nebula was formed at the red giant phase during the transition from hydrogen fusion to helium fusion in the core, not when fusion stopped. I wasn't aware that main sequence core fusion stopped until a large iron core had been created. Nice, deep exposure though. I didn't even recognize it.
I can never remember the sequence of events during the death throes of a star. However, in the medium-mass stars that create planetary nebulae, an iron core never forms. Stars that are massive enough to form iron cores end with supernova explosions. I have heard the nebulae created by Wolf-Rayet stars (which do generate iron cores) referred to as planetary nebulae, but M27 is not in that category.

Notwithstanding my first sentence, I do remember that the iron core doesn't develop until well after the star has left the main sequence.

Doctor: You've developed an iron core.
Type O/B/WR patient: OMG, how much time have I got?
Doctor: Ten...
Patient: Ten what? Months? Weeks?
Doctor: Nine...
Nebulae created by Wolf Rayet stars are NOT planetary nebulae! They are either Wolf Rayet bubble nebulae like the Crescent Nebula or they are Wolf Rayet ring nebulae like RCW 58. There are three types, ejecta nebulae created by material ejected by a Wolf Rayet star, a windswept bubble of material in the surrounding interstellar medium created by the strong and fast winds of a Wolf Rayet star and finally there are some that are a combination of the two.

Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by Cousin Ricky » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:59 pm

Can't make it up wrote:I thought that a planetary nebula was formed at the red giant phase during the transition from hydrogen fusion to helium fusion in the core, not when fusion stopped. I wasn't aware that main sequence core fusion stopped until a large iron core had been created. Nice, deep exposure though. I didn't even recognize it.
I can never remember the sequence of events during the death throes of a star. However, in the medium-mass stars that create planetary nebulae, an iron core never forms. Stars that are massive enough to form iron cores end with supernova explosions. I have heard the nebulae created by Wolf-Rayet stars (which do generate iron cores) referred to as planetary nebulae, but M27 is not in that category.

Notwithstanding my first sentence, I do remember that the iron core doesn't develop until well after the star has left the main sequence.

Doctor: You've developed an iron core.
Type O/B/WR patient: OMG, how much time have I got?
Doctor: Ten...
Patient: Ten what? Months? Weeks?
Doctor: Nine...

Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by LocalColor » Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:57 pm

Beautiful image!

Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by Can't make it up » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:29 pm

I thought that a planetary nebula was formed at the red giant phase during the transition from hydrogen fusion to helium fusion in the core, not when fusion stopped. I wasn't aware that main sequence core fusion stopped until a large iron core had been created. Nice, deep exposure though. I didn't even recognize it.

Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by Boomer12k » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:49 am

Wow....That is awesome detail...

Looks more like a split open Seashell...

:---[===] *

Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by starsurfer » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:16 am

Yay a planetary nebula! The only complaint I could make is that it is a popular one. The description should have mentioned its halo, something that is associated with a large majority of planetary nebulae. I'm fairly confident that even more will be discovered in the next few years! :D

Re: APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by user loser » Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:30 am

Not sure why, but this picture reminded me of this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/DOFgFAcGH ... 02&end=206

Definitely not a dumbbell anymore.

APOD: M27: The Dumbbell Nebula (2014 Sep 14)

by APOD Robot » Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:10 am

Image M27: The Dumbbell Nebula

Explanation: The first hint of what will become of our Sun was discovered inadvertently in 1764. At that time, Charles Messier was compiling a list of diffuse objects not to be confused with comets. The 27th object on Messier's list, now known as M27 or the Dumbbell Nebula, is a planetary nebula, the type of nebula our Sun will produce when nuclear fusion stops in its core. M27 is one of the brightest planetary nebulae on the sky, and can be seen toward the constellation of the Fox (Vulpecula) with binoculars. It takes light about 1000 years to reach us from M27, shown above in colors emitted by hydrogen and oxygen. Understanding the physics and significance of M27 was well beyond 18th century science. Even today, many things remain mysterious about bipolar planetary nebula like M27, including the physical mechanism that expels a low-mass star's gaseous outer-envelope, leaving an X-ray hot white dwarf.

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