APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

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Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Chappy » Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:05 am

Boomer12k wrote:You can even see a "bat face" in the upper center part...

:---[===] *
That's the first thing I saw as well, but I saw the entire bat, with wings, hind legs and complete with the claw/fingernail(s) on the upper edge of the wings. A rather chubby bat tho, he needs to work out more.
If this were the first image seen of this nebula, I'm sure it would have been named the Bat Nebula because it's just so obvious.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Anthony Barreiro » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:22 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Beyond wrote:I wood guess about 10 to the Zillionth power.
You're off by a zillion minus 50.
Is that close enough for engineering purposes?

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Chris Peterson » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:04 pm

Beyond wrote:I don't have much experience with working with Planck planks. They're just toooo small to hold in place whilst you try to nail them down.
You're probably using the wrong tools. Since I started using Planck nails and a Planck hammer, I've had no problems at all.

Right now I'm training Maxwell's Demon to do the work for me, so I expect things will get even easier in the future.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Beyond » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:49 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Beyond wrote:I wood guess about 10 to the Zillionth power.
You're off by a zillion minus 50.
I guess I'm just a Bad guesser. There's nothing much i can do about that, i guess.
I don't have much experience with working with Planck planks. They're just toooo small to hold in place whilst you try to nail them down. :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Chris Peterson » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:29 pm

Beyond wrote:I wood guess about 10 to the Zillionth power.
You're off by a zillion minus 50.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Chris Peterson » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:28 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:Since it is effectively a measure of Time as well as space, and since time and motion are directly related to the Planck Length, How far would it be in relative Planck Lengths?
A light year is not in any way a measure of time. Neither is the Planck length. Both are simple units of length.

A light year is 9.4542549555 x 1015 m. A Planck length is 1.61619926 × 10-35 m. So a light year is approximately 5.85 x 1050 Planck lengths. (Not sure what a "relative" Planck length is.)

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Beyond » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:20 pm

I wood guess about 10 to the Zillionth power.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by BMAONE23 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:07 pm

Nitpicker wrote:
Nitpicker wrote:
geckzilla wrote:Through a vacuum. An important but often neglected variable.
Well, if we're getting technical, it is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year (365.25 days [86,400 SI seconds per day]).
Oops, looks like I nitpicked the wrong person. I've been demoted to an up-arrow.
Since it is effectively a measure of Time as well as space, and since time and motion are directly related to the Planck Length, How far would it be in relative Planck Lengths?

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by neufer » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:41 pm


KarenG958 wrote:
Does this remind anyone else of
the Id monster in Forbidden Planet?
Id sorta does.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by KarenG958 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:59 pm

Does this remind anyone else of the Id monster in Forbidden Planet?

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by geckzilla » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:32 am

Your title is your username until further notice. Lack of imagination on my part.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Nitpicker » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:29 am

Nitpicker wrote:
geckzilla wrote:Through a vacuum. An important but often neglected variable.
Well, if we're getting technical, it is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year (365.25 days [86,400 SI seconds per day]).
Oops, looks like I nitpicked the wrong person. I've been demoted to an up-arrow.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Nitpicker » Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:10 am

geckzilla wrote:
BMAONE23 wrote:
CharliePatriot wrote:Need some help here. Exactly what distance is denoted by "Light Year".? Have heard several and don't now which is true.
It is the distance that light travels in one year
Through a vacuum. An important but often neglected variable.
Well, if we're getting technical, it is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year (365.25 days [86,400 SI seconds per day]).
Chris Peterson wrote:Or in civilized units that the rest of the world understands, one light year is
9 454 254 955 500 kilometers
Not that we're that civilised, nor civilized, but the rest of us know them as kilometres. (Picky, picky.)

For a unit that is truly civilised, militarised, internationalised and also rather natural to planet Earth, there is the nautical mile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile
"The nautical mile (symbol M, NM or nmi) is a unit of length that is about one minute of arc of latitude measured along any meridian, or about one minute of arc of longitude at the equator (both at sea level). By international agreement it has been set at 1,852 metres exactly (about 6,076 feet)."

But I digress. Like kilometres, nautical miles are not much chop for astronomy (and statute miles can take a hike too -- they're not bad for hiking). The more convenient light years and astronomical units, both have exact definitions in units of the SI metre (which is itself defined relative to the speed of light in a vacuum). And the (pretty nifty) parsec is defined exactly as 648000/π astronomical units.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Anthony Barreiro » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:20 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
BMAONE23 wrote:
CharliePatriot wrote:Need some help here. Exactly what distance is denoted by "Light Year".? Have heard several and don't now which is true.
It is the distance that light travels in one year
186,000 MPS
11,160,000 MPM
669.600.000 MPH
16,070,400,000 MPD
5,865,696,000,000 MPY
5 Trillion 865 Billion 696 Million miles per Light Year

Or 244,404,000 times around the earth
Or in civilized units that the rest of the world understands, one light year is

9 454 254 955 500 kilometers
0.306 391 545 86 parsecs
I find it helpful to consider how long light takes to travel from familiar objects to us here on Earth. Light reflected off the surface of the Moon takes less than a second and a half to get to the surface of the Earth. Light from the Sun takes about eight and a half minutes to get to Earth. Light reflected from Jupiter takes about 40 minutes to get to Earth. Light reflected from Neptune takes about four hours to get to Earth. Light from the nearest star, Alpha Centauri (or Proxima Centauri if you want to quibble), takes four years to get to our solar system. These landmarks give me a basis for better understanding a nebula that is ten light years across and 1400 light years away from us, for instance.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by neufer » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:05 pm

ta152h0 wrote:
anybody measured speed of light when not in vacuum ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizeau_experiment wrote: <<The Fizeau experiment was carried out by Hippolyte Fizeau in 1851 to measure the relative speeds of light in moving water. Fizeau used a special interferometer arrangement to measure the effect of movement of a medium upon the speed of light.

According to the theories prevailing at the time, light traveling through a moving medium would be dragged along by the medium, so that the measured speed of the light would be a simple sum of its speed through the medium plus the speed of the medium. Fizeau indeed detected a dragging effect, but the magnitude of the effect that he observed was far lower than expected. His results seemingly supported the partial aether-drag hypothesis of Fresnel, a situation that was disconcerting to most physicists. Over half a century passed before a satisfactory explanation of Fizeau's unexpected measurement was developed with the advent of Albert Einstein's theory of special relativity. Einstein later pointed out the importance of the experiment for special relativity.>>

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:44 pm

ta152h0 wrote:anybody measured speed of light when not in vacuum ?
Sure. Many of the early attempts to measure the speed of light were conducted in Earth's atmosphere (and even those that were astronomically based required part of the light path to be in the atmosphere). Experiments involving Cherenkov radiation require measuring the speed of light in different mediums. And practical optics also involves measuring the speed of light in optical materials, as this is critical to making practical use of refraction.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by ta152h0 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:38 pm

anybody measured speed of light when not in vacuum ?

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by geckzilla » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:36 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:
CharliePatriot wrote:Need some help here. Exactly what distance is denoted by "Light Year".? Have heard several and don't now which is true.
It is the distance that light travels in one year
Through a vacuum. An important but often neglected variable.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:35 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:
CharliePatriot wrote:Need some help here. Exactly what distance is denoted by "Light Year".? Have heard several and don't now which is true.
It is the distance that light travels in one year
186,000 MPS
11,160,000 MPM
669.600.000 MPH
16,070,400,000 MPD
5,865,696,000,000 MPY
5 Trillion 865 Billion 696 Million miles per Light Year

Or 244,404,000 times around the earth
Or in civilized units that the rest of the world understands, one light year is

9 454 254 955 500 kilometers
0.306 391 545 86 parsecs

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by ta152h0 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:34 pm

My departed 69 Torino Cobra Jet did that, called pinging here on Earth.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by BMAONE23 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:20 pm

At first glance I thought of this cute little guy
Image

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by BMAONE23 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:18 pm

CharliePatriot wrote:Need some help here. Exactly what distance is denoted by "Light Year".? Have heard several and don't now which is true.
It is the distance that light travels in one year
186,000 MPS
11,160,000 MPM
669.600.000 MPH
16,070,400,000 MPD
5,865,696,000,000 MPY
5 Trillion 865 Billion 696 Million miles per Light Year

Or 244,404,000 times around the earth

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by CharliePatriot » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:08 pm

Need some help here. Exactly what distance is denoted by "Light Year".? Have heard several and don't now which is true.

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by geckzilla » Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:57 pm

There's already a nebula called the Owl Nebula, though. It looks like an owl's face. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_Nebula

Re: APOD: A Spectre in the Eastern Veil (2013 Oct 30)

by DeeBee » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:50 pm

This nebula should be renamed The Owl Nebula. We see a perfect image of the entire nebula as an owl in flight with both wings stretched out!

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