APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

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Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Beyond » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:30 pm

Now-a-days, just wrinkles. Lots and lots of wrinkles. :yes:

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by BMAONE23 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:09 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Do they really gather no moss?

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Beyond » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:04 pm

How about a Rolling Stone :?:

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by ta152h0 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:51 pm

now I can say I seen one. Just like I can say now I have seen a rolling cloud.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by neufer » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:44 pm

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/?blog=78068 wrote: Amazing RS Puppis, a star with a groovy echo
Astrobob, December 18, 2013

<<Have you ever seen an echo? Maybe if you’re a bat, which can form a mental picture of its environment using echolocation. Well, then, allow me to introduce you to the star RS Puppis in the constellation Puppis the Ship’s Stern. Unlike the steady sun, RS Pup pulsates like a beating heart, becoming brighter and fainter by a factor of five about every 40 days. Instabilities in the star’s core brought on by switching from hydrogen to helium fuel cause regular expansions and contractions – actual changes in the star’s size – that we see as cyclic changes in its brightness.

Lucky for us bat types, the star is swaddled in nebulosity, a swirly cloud of gas and dust. As RS Pup brightens, a pulse of light travels from near to far across the expanse of the nebula, reflecting off gas and dust to create a light echo. Watching the video might make you think you’re seeing an expanding gas cloud. That’s an illusion. Instead, light moves across the nebula like someone pointing a flashlight in a cave, the beam touching nearby walls first and then reaching farther back into the deeper recesses. Every 5-6 weeks another pulse echoes across the murky gas clouds.

We hear an echo when sound bounces off objects in the environment and reflects back to our ears; echoes around RS Puppis happen the same way except with light instead of sound.

Interestingly, as the reflected light bounces off the nebula’s nooks and crannies, it takes a variety of different paths through the gas and arrives at Earth after light that travels straight from star to telescope. This helps reinforce the ‘expanding gas cloud’ illusion.>>

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Beyond » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:46 pm

neufer wrote:
ta152h0 wrote:
and sometimes underwhelming
Have some draft beer, ta152h0.
Seems more like 'daft' beer to me.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by neufer » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:42 pm

ta152h0 wrote:
and sometimes underwhelming
Have some draft beer, ta152h0.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by ta152h0 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:04 pm

and sometimes underwhelming

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Beyond » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:57 pm

neufer wrote:No One asked YOUR opinion :!:
Since when does any Asteriskian* need to be asked for their opinion :?: :?:

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by neufer » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:54 pm

ta152h0 wrote:
scientist humor is sometimes overwhelming
neufer wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster wrote:
<< ... Anthony di Stasio, walking homeward with his sisters from the Michelangelo School, was picked up by the wave and carried, tumbling on its crest, almost as though he were surfing. Then he grounded and the molasses rolled him like a pebble as the wave diminished. He heard his mother call his name and couldn't answer, his throat was so clogged with the smothering goo. He passed out, then opened his eyes to find three of his four sisters staring at him.>>
Beyond wrote:
So... white cane sugar is lesslasses :?:
  • No One asked YOUR opinion :!:
`Once upon a time there were three little sisters,' the Dormouse began in a great hurry; `and their names were Elsie, Lacie, and Tillie; and they lived at the bottom of a well--'

`What did they live on?' said Alice, who always took a great interest in questions of eating and drinking.

`They lived on treacle,' said the Dormouse, after thinking a minute or two.

`They couldn't have done that, you know,' Alice gently remarked; `they'd have been ill.'

`So they were,' said the Dormouse; `VERY ill.'

Alice tried to fancy to herself what such an extraordinary ways of living would be like, but it puzzled her too much, so she went on: `But why did they live at the bottom of a well?'

`Take some more tea,' the March Hare said to Alice, very earnestly.

`I've had nothing yet,' Alice replied in an offended tone, `so I can't take more.'

`You mean you can't take LESS,' said the Hatter: `it's very easy to take MORE than nothing.'

`Nobody asked YOUR opinion,' said Alice.
Art (definitely not No One) Neuendorffer

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Beyond » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:44 pm

So... white cane sugar is lesslasses :?:

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by neufer » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:40 pm

ta152h0 wrote:
scientist humor is sometimes overwhelming
neufer wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster wrote:
<< ... Anthony di Stasio, walking homeward with his sisters from the Michelangelo School, was picked up by the wave and carried, tumbling on its crest, almost as though he were surfing. Then he grounded and the molasses rolled him like a pebble as the wave diminished. He heard his mother call his name and couldn't answer, his throat was so clogged with the smothering goo. He passed out, then opened his eyes to find three of his four sisters staring at him.>>

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by ta152h0 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:13 pm

scientist humor is sometimes overwhelming

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Beyond » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:30 am

neufer wrote:In Art, "schlock" is sometimes used as a synonym for kitsch.>>
Gee, i hope you feel better soon. :yes:

The Schlock Factor

by neufer » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:29 am

geckzilla wrote:
I had read that before.

Thinking about it again, though, shocks might be comparable to light echoes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlock wrote:
<<Schlock is an English word of Yiddish origin meaning "something cheap, shoddy, or inferior (perhaps from German Schlag, Yiddish shlak, meaning 'a stroke'; also possibly from German "Schlag"/"Schlagsahne", whipped cream)" In the field of science, "schlock" refers to shoddy methods or unreliable results.

In Art, "schlock" is sometimes used as a synonym for kitsch.>>

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by geckzilla » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:28 pm

I had read that before. Thinking about it again, though, shocks might be comparable to light echoes.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by neufer » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:54 pm

ta152h0 wrote:
Maybe some B&W taken by , let's say, Mr Hubble himself ?

Hubble's Double Bubble is a false color image using narrow filters:
F631N (neutral oxygen, shown in red),
F658N (once-ionized nitrogen, shown in green),
F502N (twice-ionized hydrogen, shown in blue)
http://www.astro.washington.edu/users/balick/WFPC2/hb5.caption.html wrote:
Nickname: Hubble's Double Bubble
observed by HST: Sep 9 1997
distance 0.7 kpc (2200 l.y.)
constellation: Sagittarius

<<Hubble 5 is a strikingly lovely "butterfly" or bipolar (two-lobed) nebula which has received relatively little attention. Internal motions in the nebula have been measured spectroscopically to be in excess of 200 miles per second. The heat generated by the winds causes the each of the lobes to expand, much like a pair of balloons with internal heaters. The expanding lobes encounter older material ejected previously. Supersonic shocks form where the ambient gas is compressed and heated ahead of the rapidly expanding lobes. Atoms caught in the shocks radiate the visible light seen in this image.>>

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by ta152h0 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:32 pm

Maybe some B&W taken by , let's say, Mr Hubble himself ?

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by geckzilla » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:08 pm

I already tried. All of the data is from the same day in 1997. Maybe there are pictures of it taken by an amateur or some other telescope but I can't find any.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by neufer » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:27 am

geckzilla wrote:
Yes, but there are sometimes strange cases, are there not? I definitely wouldn't say that any of the other planetary nebulas I've looked at are similar to this one. I have to look at more bipolar ones, though. :)
If they are light echoes then they are moving near the speed of light
and would noticeably change from week to week.

That should be easy to check.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by geckzilla » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:48 pm

Yes, but there are sometimes strange cases, are there not? I definitely wouldn't say that any of the other planetary nebulas I've looked at are similar to this one. I have to look at more bipolar ones, though. :)

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by neufer » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:53 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Hmm, it might actually be slightly easier to see them in my version.
I circled some of the others that aren't so close to the star and which take on a circular shape.
http://www.geckzilla.com/astro/Hubble5_ ... choes1.jpg
http://www.geckzilla.com/astro/Hubble5_ ... choes2.jpg
Your suggestion that these might be periodic light echoes is somewhat complicated by the fact that while
planetary nebula nuclei may be irregular variables with periods on the order of an hour
RS Pup is a regular variable with a period on the order of a month.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:31 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote: Maybe, but their high symmetry makes me think these are diffraction artifacts.
Hmm, it might actually be slightly easier to see them in my version.
Indeed. I was looking at completely different structures.

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by geckzilla » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:24 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Maybe, but their high symmetry makes me think these are diffraction artifacts.
Hmm, it might actually be slightly easier to see them in my version.
I circled some of the others that aren't so close to the star and which take on a circular shape.
http://www.geckzilla.com/astro/Hubble5_ ... choes1.jpg
http://www.geckzilla.com/astro/Hubble5_ ... choes2.jpg
Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
Something other than the repeating structures reminded me of light echoes, though. Sometimes when I am processing nebulas I pick and choose data from different years and can see the slight expansion between the years so I was bothered when I was looking at the f502n data versus the f673n+f658n data because they seemed misaligned like the 502 data came from a few years in the past but when I checked all the data was from the same year. Might have nothing to do with light echoing but eh, it got me thinking about it anyway.
Click to view full size image 1 or image 2

Re: APOD: Nearby Cepheid Variable RS Pup (2013 Sep 09)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:05 pm

geckzilla wrote:I came back to this thread to make sure my understanding was correct because as I was messing around processing the Hubble 5 nebula I saw some repeating structures that seemed like they could be light echoes. Tried searching for any mention of it with no luck.
Maybe, but their high symmetry makes me think these are diffraction artifacts.

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