APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02)

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Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by skywriter » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:57 pm

Thanks for your answers, geckzilla and Chris!

We move with the discussion on philosophical paths, did you notice that? :wink:

Images ("Photographs") on a scientific level, have primarily to inform, to document and to teach us. If they effect aesthetically, they are particularly good. Is always important by amended photos to describe the nature, degree and method of the change.
If someone uses a fish-eye lens, it indicates my human eyes see the subject different. :roll:

The photographer/publisher should never forget: He is responsible for the mapping of motifs and their presentation in front of the viewer.

This is what skywriter occasionally thinks when he looks (with great enjoy) at your excellent photos.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Chris Peterson » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:20 pm

skywriter wrote:I would prefer truthfull pictures of our reality und of the universe to see, how the majority of APOD-pictures it shows, instead of artworks.
In what way is the image "untruthful" or unrepresentative of reality?
The image is an artificial composition, but a grandiose professional work!
What image isn't an artificial composition? How is it possible for an image to be anything but? Indeed, astronomical images are generally the most "artificial", in that they show things that are impossible for our eyes to detect. Most APODs are composited from multiple layers of data, many nonvisual, stretched into nonlinear intensity spaces to maximize dynamic range, and arbitrarily colored. In comparison, this Milky Way image captures something quite close to what an observer at the location would see, just slightly enhancing sensitivity.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by geckzilla » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:46 am

skywriter wrote:
geckzilla wrote:
Did you read the thread? We may not be Maria herself but there is plenty of insight into how the image was created since we also know how.
Yes I did read the thread, but found only some speculations but no facts. The image is really wonderfull - in the word's best meaning! I would prefer truthfull pictures of our reality und of the universe to see, how the majority of APOD-pictures it shows, instead of artworks. Sorry, that's my critical mind. And let me assure: The image is an artificial composition, but a grandiose professional work!
No, it's not speculation. Careful compositing of multiple images into a single panorama is exactly how it's done.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by skywriter » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:22 am

geckzilla wrote:
Did you read the thread? We may not be Maria herself but there is plenty of insight into how the image was created since we also know how.
Yes I did read the thread, but found only some speculations but no facts. The image is really wonderfull - in the word's best meaning! I would prefer truthfull pictures of our reality und of the universe to see, how the majority of APOD-pictures it shows, instead of artworks. Sorry, that's my critical mind. And let me assure: The image is an artificial composition, but a grandiose professional work!

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by fausto.lubatti » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:04 am

Wonderful image Maria Rosa Vila! Thanks for sharing... ;-)

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by geckzilla » Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:13 pm

skywriter wrote:The image of Maria Rosa Vila I really enjoy, but I miss further details how it was created. :?:
APOD is not any heavens revue, but a professional scientifically oriented site, I guess ... :?

skywriter, Bavaria
Did you read the thread? We may not be Maria herself but there is plenty of insight into how the image was created since we also know how.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by skywriter » Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:33 am

The image of Maria Rosa Vila I really enjoy, but I miss further details how it was created. :?:
APOD is not any heavens revue, but a professional scientifically oriented site, I guess ... :?

skywriter, Bavaria

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Guest » Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:04 am

neufer wrote:
Juantoday wrote:
Shouldn't this be southeastern rather than northeastern Spain?
The Bardenas Reales is a semi-desert natural region, or badlands, in southeast Navarre: an autonomous community in northern Spain.
Ah, thanks.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Mizar » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:13 pm

It's good to see that there are still places in Europe dark enough to take images of this degree of detail of the galaxy.
JohnD wrote:What an extraordinary object!
And what an extraordinary view to choose, when most other aspects do not make the pinnacle look so, how can I put this, male? I suppose that this was demanded by the direction to get the Milky Way centralised?
Interesting to note also that this very phallic object at this particular angle, was chosen by a woman. :lol2:

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Boomer12k » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:54 pm

Guest wrote:that spire is rather phallic
Maybe all that Heavenly Glory turn him on... :D

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Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Cousin Ricky » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:41 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: BTW, the Milky Way only looks linear to most people when it is high overhead. When it is lower it is obviously not parallel to the horizon, and our brains tend to treat the horizon as a straight line (although it doesn't project as a straight line on our retinas).
Photoshop ain't got nothing on the human brain. :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by neufer » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:58 pm

Juantoday wrote:
Shouldn't this be southeastern rather than northeastern Spain?
The Bardenas Reales is a semi-desert natural region, or badlands, in southeast Navarre: an autonomous community in northern Spain.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Juantoday » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:57 pm

Shouldn't this be southeastern rather than northeastern Spain?

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Ann » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:38 pm

owlice wrote:Congratulations, Maria Rosa, for a splendid APOD!!
Yes, congratulations! Speaking of males - and it is hard not to do that when we look at your photo, Maria Rosa, as you know - but for me as a lover of astrophotography even though I am, unfortunately, a non-photographer myself - it is great to see all the wonderful astroimages posted by all those great male astrophotographers out there. I have to say, though, that it is really nice to see a great APOD taken by a woman, too!

Way to go, Maria Rosa! :-D :clap: :-D :clap: :-D :clap:

Ann

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by owlice » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:04 pm

Congratulations, Maria Rosa, for a splendid APOD!!

I am a Nut!

by neufer » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:16 pm

Ann wrote:
In ancient Greece, they talked about Father Sky and Mother Earth.

Looks like the other way round here. :wink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_(goddess) wrote:
[img3="The Sky Goddess Nut arched protectively over the Earth and all of its inhabitants. Nut was seen as a friend and protector of the dead, who appealed to her as a child appeals to its mother: "O my Mother Nut, stretch Yourself over me, that I may be placed among the imperishable stars which are in You, and that I may not die." Nut was thought to draw the dead into her star-filled sky, and refresh them with food and wine: "I am Nut, and I have come so that I may enfold and protect you from all things evil." She was often painted on the inside lid of the sarcophagus, protecting the deceased. The vault of tombs often were painted dark blue with many stars as a representation of Nut."]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ss_nut.jpg[/img3]
<<Nut or Neuth (also spelled Nuit or Newet) was the goddess of the sky in the Ennead of Egyptian mythology. She was seen as a star-covered nude woman arching over the earth, or as a cow. Nut and her brother/husband, Geb, may be considered enigmas in the world of mythology. In direct contrast to most other mythologies which usually develop a sky father associated with an Earth mother (or Mother Nature), she personified the sky and he the Earth.

Nut is a daughter of Shu and Tefnut. Her name is translated to mean 'sky' and she is considered one of the oldest deities among the Egyptian pantheon, with her origin being found on the creation story of Heliopolis. She was originally the goddess of the nighttime sky, but eventually became referred to as simply the sky goddess. Her headdress was the hieroglyphic of part of her name, a pot, which may also symbolize the uterus. Mostly depicted in nude human form, Nut was also sometimes depicted in the form of a cow whose great body formed the sky and heavens, a sycamore tree, or as a giant sow, suckling many piglets (representing the stars).

A sacred symbol of Nut was the ladder, used by Osiris to enter her heavenly skies. This ladder-symbol was called maqet and was placed in tombs to protect the deceased, and to invoke the aid of the deity of the dead.

Ra, the sun god, was the second to rule the world, according to the reign of the gods. Ra was a strong ruler but he feared anyone taking his throne. When he discovered that Nut was to have children he was furious. He decreed, "Nut shall not give birth any day of the year." At that time, the year was only 360 days. Nut spoke to Thoth, god of wisdom, and he had a plan. Thoth gambled with Khonshu, god of the moon, whose light rivaled that of Ra's. Every time Khonshu lost, he had to give Thoth some of his moonlight. Khonshu lost so many times that Thoth had enough moonlight to make 5 extra days. Since these days were not part of the year, Nut could have her children. She had 5: Osiris, Horus the Elder, Set, Isis, and Nepthys. When Ra found out, he was furious. He separated Nut from her husband Geb for all eternity. Her father, Shu, was to keep them apart. Still, Nut did not regret her decision.

Nut was the goddess of the sky and all heavenly bodies, a symbol of protecting the dead when they enter the after life. According to the Egyptians, during the day, the heavenly bodies—such as the sun and moon—would make their way across her body. Then, at dusk, they would be swallowed, pass through her belly during the night, and be reborn at dawn.

Nut is also the barrier separating the forces of chaos from the ordered cosmos in the world. She was pictured as a woman arched on her toes and fingertips over the earth; her body portrayed as a star-filled sky. Nut’s fingers and toes were believed to touch the four cardinal points or directions of north, south, east, and west.>>
Art Neuthendorffer (separating the forces of chaos from the ordered cosmos)_

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by orin stepanek » Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:32 am

Reminds me of Chimney Rock in western Nebraska! :D Image from wiki:

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by hownow » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:58 am

Guest wrote:that spire is rather phallic
And into Pegasus the Horse!

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Ann » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:49 am

In ancient Greece, they talked about Father Sky and Mother Earth.

Looks like the other way round here. :wink:

Ann

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by JohnD » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:41 am

What an extraordinary object!
And what an extraordinary view to choose, when most other aspects do not make the pinnacle look so, how can I put this, male? I suppose that this was demanded by the direction to get the Milky Way centralised?
See: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=casti ... 24&bih=585

John

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by ThePiper » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:22 am

Gage wrote:Chris and Geckzilla: Thanks for the very informative responses, and esp for the photo.

Yes - and, Gage, thanks for the good question.
The appearance of the Milky Way will - for ever -be stress and challenge for my tortured brain... :roll:

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Boomer12k » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:27 am

Wonderful shot...

Going to have to straighten out the Milky Way someday...somebody got it all bent...

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Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by drollere » Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:32 am

it's pretty, but it needs some smurfs in it ... maybe some smurfs having a picnic.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by geckzilla » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:38 am

Guest wrote:that spire is rather phallic
It could be discretely called a monument to Jupiter.

Re: APOD: Milky Way Over Spains Bardenas Reales (2013 Sep 02

by Gage » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:31 am

Chris and Geckzilla: Thanks for the very informative responses, and esp for the photo.

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