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Re: ESA: Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring

by neufer » Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:24 pm

rstevenson wrote:
I don't understand what "reflects off the outer edge of the B ring" means. What is there at that ring's outer edge that reflects the wave? Is it the point at which gravity starts to pull back any rocks that get "waved" that far? But no, there are rocks farther out in other rings. And anyway, I don't think any particular rock is moving very far. If we compare the rocks to water molecules in a water wave: they don't travel with the wave, they just go up and down.

And while I'm being confused, how do "random motions of the ring particles feed energy into a wave" in a particular non-random direction? :?
It is confusing, to say the least, and I can only guess at what they are talking about: If one ignores interactions with the moons then the ring particles can only interact with each other through mutual gravity in a rotating frame of reference (as stars in galaxies do). And like stars in galaxies this interaction can lead to gravitational waves that can only feed off of the "random motions of the ring particles."

Re: ESA: Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring

by rstevenson » Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:37 pm

I don't understand what "reflects off the outer edge of the B ring" means. What is there at that ring's outer edge that reflects the wave? Is it the point at which gravity starts to pull back any rocks that get "waved" that far? But no, there are rocks farther out in other rings. And anyway, I don't think any particular rock is moving very far. If we compare the rocks to water molecules in a water wave: they don't travel with the wave, they just go up and down.

And while I'm being confused, how do "random motions of the ring particles feed energy into a wave" in a particular non-random direction? :?

Rob

Re: ESA: Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring

by Beyond » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:19 am

Hmm... The Mexican hat dance being done around Saturn. Never thought of it quite that way before. :lol2:

Re: ESA: Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring

by Ann » Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:07 am

Saturn’s rings are not the perfect hoops they appear as in small amateur telescopes, and when the Cassini spacecraft entered orbit around Saturn, the wonky disorder of the massive B ring became even more apparent. Scientists were stunned by towering vertical structures, scalloped edges on the rings, and odd propeller-like features. But scientists have now found the cause of these strange features: The region is acting just like a spiral galaxy, said Carolyn Porco, team lead of the Cassini imaging team.
You mean Saturn and its ring system is like the Sombrero galaxy? :shock:

Ann

Re: ESA: Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring

by neufer » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:43 am

http://www.universetoday.com/77157/mystery-of-saturn%E2%80%99s-wonky-b-ring-solved/ wrote: Mystery of Saturn’s Wonky B Ring: Solved
by Nancy Atkinson on November 1, 2010

<<It has long been known that Saturn’s rings are not the perfect hoops they appear as in small amateur telescopes, and when the Cassini spacecraft entered orbit around Saturn, the wonky disorder of the massive B ring became even more apparent. Scientists were stunned by towering vertical structures, scalloped edges on the rings, and odd propeller-like features. But scientists have now found the cause of these strange features: The region is acting just like a spiral galaxy, said Carolyn Porco, team lead of the Cassini imaging team. “We have found what we hoped we’d find when we set out on this journey with Cassini nearly 13 years ago,” said Porco, “(and have gotten) visibility into the mechanisms that have sculpted not only Saturn’s rings, but celestial disks of a far grander scale, from solar systems, like our own, all the way to the giant spiral galaxies.” The B ring is one of the most dynamic areas in Saturn’s rings, and surprisingly, scientists say, the rings are behaving like a miniature version of our own Milky Way galaxy.

When the the Voyager spacecraft flew by Saturn in 1980 and 1981, scientists saw that the outer edge of the planet’s B ring was shaped like a rotating, flattened football by the gravitational perturbations of Mimas. But it was clear, even in Voyager’s findings, that the outer B ring’s behavior was far more complex than anything Mimas alone might do. Through the analysis of thousands of Cassini images of the B ring taken over a four-year period, Porco and her team have found the source of most of the complexity: at least three additional, independently rotating wave patterns, or oscillations, that distort the B ring’s edge.

The oscillations travel around the ring with differing speeds and the small, random motions of the ring particles feed energy into a wave that propagates outward across the ring from an inner boundary, reflects off the outer edge of the B ring (which becomes distorted as a result), and then travels inward until it reflects off the inner boundary. This continuous back-and-forth reflection is necessary for these wave patterns to grow and become visible as distortions in the outer edge of the B ring. These oscillations, with one, two or three lobes, are not created by any moons. They have instead spontaneously arisen, in part because the ring is dense enough, and the B ring edge is sharp enough, for waves to grow on their own and then reflect at the edge. The ring particles’ small, random motions feed energy into a wave and cause it to grow. The new results confirm a Voyager-era predication that this same process can explain all the puzzling chaotic waveforms found in Saturn’s densest rings, from tens of meters up to hundreds of kilometers wide.

“This process has already been verified to produce wave features in Saturn’s dense rings that are of small scale…about 150 meters or so,” Porco wrote in her “Captain’s Log” feature on the CICLOPS (Cassini imaging)website. “That it now also appears to produce waves of large, hundreds-of-kilometers scale in the outer B ring suggests that it can operate in dense rings on all spatial scales.”

“These oscillations exist for the same reason that guitar strings have natural modes of oscillation, which can be excited when plucked or otherwise disturbed,” said Joseph Spitale, Cassini imaging team associate and lead author of a new article in the Astronomical Journal, published today. “The ring, too, has its own natural oscillation frequencies, and that’s what we’re observing.” Astronomers believe such “self-excited” oscillations exist in other disk systems, like spiral disk galaxies and proto-planetary disks found around nearby stars, but they have not been able to directly confirm their existence. The new observations confirm the first large-scale wave oscillations of this type in a broad disk of material anywhere in nature. Self-excited waves on small, 100-meter scales have been previously observed by Cassini instruments in a few dense ring regions and have been attributed to a process called “viscous overstability.” “Normally viscosity, or resistance to flow, damps waves — the way sound waves traveling through the air would die out,” said Peter Goldreich, a planetary ring theorist at the California Institute of Technology. “But the new findings show that, in the densest parts of Saturn’s rings, viscosity actually amplifies waves, explaining mysterious grooves first seen in images taken by the Voyager spacecraft.”>>

Re: ESA: Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring

by owlice » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:49 pm

What a gorgeous image!

ESA: Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring

by bystander » Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:00 pm

Scrambling Saturn’s B-ring
ESA Space Science IOTW | 2012 Sept 10

Clumpy particles in Saturn’s B-ring provide stark contrast to the delicately ordered ringlets seen in the rest of this view presented by the Cassini spacecraft.

Saturn’s B-ring is the largest and brightest of the gas giant’s rings, the outer portion of which is seen in the left side of this image.

The ring’s outside edge is influenced by meddling moon Mimas, which orbits the planet once for every two circuits the icy ring particles complete.

These periodic gravity perturbations are thought to compress the ring particles into clumps, while maintaining the ring’s well-defined outer edge.

Beyond the B-ring lies the Huygens gap, the widest dark void visible in this image, punctuated only by the bright Huygens ringlet. The 4800 km-wide Cassini Division separates the B-ring from the outermost A-ring, but itself is marked out with faint, concentric strands of ring material.

From Earth, the Cassini Division appears as a thin black gap in Saturn’s rings, but close-up views from spacecraft expose the delicate structures in fine detail.

This image was taken in visible light with the Cassini spacecraft narrow-angle camera on 10 July 2009 from a distance of 320 000 km from Saturn.

Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Space Science Institute

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