APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

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Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by bystander » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:29 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
neufer wrote:
Northern lights make for quite a sight — and some odd sounds

Research detailing clapping noises vindicates folk tales,
reports by wilderness travelers

by Shawn Malone, MSNBC

Sounds of Northern Lights are born close to ground
Aalto University | 2012 July 09

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by neufer » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:57 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48125730/ns/technology_and_science-space/#.T_tRqpHheZ0 wrote:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Northern lights make for quite a sight — and some odd sounds
Research detailing clapping noises vindicates folk tales, reports by wilderness travelers

by Shawn Malone, MSNBC

<<The northern lights of Earth are more than just dazzling light shows — they also generate their own strange applause too, a new study reveals. The same energetic particles that create the dancing, dazzling northern lights high up in Earth's atmosphere also produce strange "clapping" noises just 70 meters from the ground, researchers said. The results vindicate folk tales and reports by wilderness travelers, which have long described sounds associated with the northern lights (which are also known as the aurora borealis).

"In the past, researchers thought that the aurora borealis was too far away for people to hear the sounds it made," Unto Laine, from Aalto University in Finland, said in a statement released Monday. "This is true," Laine added. "However, our research proves that the source of the sounds that are associated with the aurora borealis we see is likely caused by the same energetic particles from the sun that create the northern lights far away in the sky. These particles or the geomagnetic disturbance produced by them seem to create sound much closer to the ground."

Laine and his colleagues determined the location of the clapping noise by comparing sounds captured by three microphones set up at a site with high auroral activity. Simultaneous measurements made by the Finnish Meteorological Institute showed a typical pattern of northern lights episodes at the time, researchers said. Aurora sounds don't occur during every northern lights outburst, and they're usually brief and faint, requiring careful listening and a minimum of background noise to be heard. Scientists still aren't sure exactly how the auroral sounds are created. They can be quite variable, ranging from claps and crackles to muffled bangs and sputtering sounds. Because of this sonic diversity, several different mechanisms might be at work, researchers said. The new study will be published in the proceedings of the 19th International Congress on Sound and Vibration, a conference that's meeting in Vilnius, Lithuania from Sunday to Thursday.>>

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:30 pm

neufer wrote:The moons should also lie in the plane of the ecliptic, however.
The ecliptic runs from Jupiter to Regulus, and the Jovian equator was tilted about 12° from the ecliptic from our viewpoint when the image was taken- which is just about the angle that the short arm of the cross makes. The magnitude of the Galilean moons is about the same as the dimmer stars visible in the image, so capturing them is likely... although that far from the optical axis you'd expect aberration to make a mess of the system.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by neufer » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:18 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
fascinating wrote:
With all due respect, that "saturn" doesn't look right. At the scale of Leo, Saturn should be an unresolved star. Also, it appears to be rotated 90 degrees from the plane of the ecliptic.
It's actually Jupiter. It might be distorted by the lens or film, and we might be seeing some evidence of its moons, given that the short axis of the cross is pretty much on their orbital plane.
Indeed it is Jupiter. (I forgot my "signs." :oops: )

The moons should also lie in the plane of the ecliptic, however.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:05 pm

fascinating wrote:With all due respect, that "saturn" doesn't look right. At the scale of Leo, Saturn should be an unresolved star. Also, it appears to be rotated 90 degrees from the plane of the ecliptic. Maybe it's an airplane strobe, or a meteor, or maybe Mr. Stefnisson added it as a trademark?
It's actually Jupiter. It might be distorted by the lens or film, and we might be seeing some evidence of its moons, given that the short axis of the cross is pretty much on their orbital plane.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by fascinating » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:40 pm

With all due respect, that "saturn" doesn't look right. At the scale of Leo, Saturn should be an unresolved star. Also, it appears to be rotated 90 degrees from the plane of the ecliptic. Maybe it's an airplane strobe, or a meteor, or maybe Mr. Stefnisson added it as a trademark?
Otherwise, beautiful photo.
neufer wrote:
Image
Psnarf wrote:
Steganography?

Sew! howcome when you click on the image, you get a smaller image?

The html code shows the linked image is 625px×444px
while the main image is 960px×682px?
  • In order to make "Sigurður H. Stefnisson" less obstrusive.

    So what is the constellation in the background?
  • What is the planet in the upper right corner?
Saturn

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Beyond » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:06 am

TNT wrote:
neufer wrote:
geckzilla wrote:
Sweet, I love the new higher rez image. Welcome to 2012, volcano aurora.
But it gives away what the planet in the upper right corner is :!:
Okay, neufer, I'm stumped. How exactly does it give away what that planet is :?:
Look a little closer. Magnify your screen if you must.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by TNT » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:31 am

neufer wrote:
geckzilla wrote:
Sweet, I love the new higher rez image. Welcome to 2012, volcano aurora.
But it gives away what the planet in the upper right corner is :!:
Okay, neufer, I'm stumped. How exactly does it give away what that planet is :?:

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by nstahl » Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:44 am

Thank you Robert and thank you Sirgurdur. This is definitely nicer. And thanks for the explanation. We appreciate your work.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by ceegee » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:31 pm

RJN,
Thank you for updating the image! Awesome photo! BTW, I totally get why astrophotographers put their copyright on their images to protect them, and I have never had a problem with that.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by rstevenson » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:23 pm

I am always disappointed when a new APOD can't be found. This one was first used on January 29, 2006.
... and ...
Actually, this is the fourth time. Previously 2002, 2004, 2006 and today.
It's the weekend. They are volunteers. Cut them a little slack.

Rob

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by neufer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:53 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Sweet, I love the new higher rez image. Welcome to 2012, volcano aurora.
But it gives away what the planet in the upper right corner is :!:

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by geckzilla » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:36 pm

Sweet, I love the new higher rez image. Welcome to 2012, volcano aurora.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by plantguy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:27 pm

Actually, this is the fourth time. Previously 2002, 2004, 2006 and today.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by plantguy » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:20 pm

I am always disappointed when a new APOD can't be found. This one was first used on January 29, 2006.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by RJN » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:43 pm

The image has been replaced with a higher resolution version. The astrophotographer himself contacted me by email and offered the better image. Even though it is in the middle of the day, I decided to take the unusual step of updating the image. Therefore, the above discussion should be taken with this into account. I have also changed the "Earth" link so that now it points to a working web page.

Last, note that the copyright notice on the image is now smaller. I agree that this looks better. APOD has gotten email, though, from astrophotographers very concerned that their images would be stolen. There is actually evidence that this does go on.

Therefore, APOD has encouraged a small copyright notice be placed on submitted images to discourage this and allow better tracking. Yes, such a notice can usually be cropped off in under 60 seconds, but many people are lazy, and still others just don't know copyright laws and copy whole copyrighted images intact thinking it is OK, and then secondary copying becomes annoyingly harder to track. And the most important copyright notice is on the "click-through" image since the main page image has a text copyright notice right on it.

- RJN

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Boomer12k » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:47 pm

Fire, Ice, and SKY....oh, my!!!!

Neat Pic...

FINALLY got out with the Scope took some better shots of M57, and M27...well BETTER for me anyway....really great nights and weather here in the U.S. Northwest. :D

:---[===] *

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:42 pm

APOD Robot wrote:Is Earth the Solar System's only planet with both auroras and volcanos?
Certainly, both Mars and Venus have volcanoes... does this question refer to any volcano, or only active ones? There are no obviously active volcanoes on either Mars or Venus, but it's possible that both planets could still support sufficient tectonic activity to produce one.

(The links to auroras on other planets work, but the link attached to "Earth" is broken.)

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:27 pm

neufer wrote:Many Volcanoes Erupt Mulberry Jam Sandwiches Under Normal Pressure.
I felt a sense of pressure growing in my mind as I read your comment, which was only relieved when I reached the end.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by neufer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:04 pm

APOD Robot wrote:
Is Earth the Solar System's only planet with both auroras and volcanos?
Many Volcanoes Erupt Mulberry Jam Sandwiches Under Normal Pressure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanism_on_Venus wrote:
<<The surface of Venus is dominated by volcanism and has produced more volcanoes than any other planet in the solar system. It has a surface that is 90% basalt, and about 65% of the planet consists of a mosaic of volcanic lava plains, indicating that volcanism played a major role in shaping its surface. The planet may have had a major global resurfacing event about 500 million years ago, from what scientists can tell from the density of impact craters on the surface. Even though there are over 1,600 major volcanoes on Venus, none are known to be erupting at present and most are probably long extinct. However, radar sounding by the Magellan probe revealed evidence for comparatively recent volcanic activity at Venus's highest volcano Maat Mons, in the form of ash flows near the summit and on the northern flank.>>

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:20 pm

Psnarf wrote:Steganography?
Sew! howcome when you click on the image, you get a smaller image?
The html code shows the linked image is 625px×444px while the main image is 960px×682px?
Clicking on any APOD normally takes you to the original image. The APOD main page image is usually sized to a specific fixed width for consistency. Usually the original image is larger, but not always. As you can tell from the fuzziness of the main page image today (especially the text) this is an upsampled version.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by neufer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:19 pm

Image
Psnarf wrote:
Steganography?

Sew! howcome when you click on the image, you get a smaller image?

The html code shows the linked image is 625px×444px
while the main image is 960px×682px?
  • In order to make "Sigurður H. Stefnisson" less obstrusive.

    So what is the constellation in the background?
  • What is the planet in the upper right corner?
Saturn

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by geckzilla » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:16 pm

The image was sampled up for the APOD page. Clicking it results in the original.

Re: APOD: Volcano and Aurora in Iceland (2012 Jul 08)

by Psnarf » Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:11 pm

Steganography?
Sew! howcome when you click on the image, you get a smaller image?
The html code shows the linked image is 625px×444px while the main image is 960px×682px?

'The Hekler' vomits stones under terrible noise.

by neufer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:36 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Sonja wrote:
Though I appreciate the daily posts and especially the effort that goes into their presentation, I must tell you that photos with such blatant "credit" lines as the one posted today (Volcano and Aurora in Iceland, © Sigurður H. Stefnisson!) seriously detract from the experience.
I agree. Placing a name and copyright notice directly on an image is a poor aesthetic decision, and usually serves no purpose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekla wrote: <<In Icelandic Hekla is the word for a short hooded cloak which may relate to the frequent cloud cover on the summit. An early Latin source refers to the mountain as Mons Casule.

After the eruption of 1104, stories (which were probably spread deliberately through Europe by Cistercian monks) told that Hekla was the gateway to Hell. The Cistercian monk Herbert of Clairvaux wrote in his De Miraculis (without naming Hekla):

The renowned fiery cauldron of Sicily, which men call Hell's chimney ... that cauldron is affirmed to be like a small furnace compared to this enormous inferno.
—Herbert of Clairvaux, Liber De Miraculis, 1180

A poem by the monk Benedeit from circa 1120 about the voyages of Saint Brendan mentions Hekla as the prison of Judas. The Flatey Book Annal wrote of the 1341 eruption that people saw large and small birds flying in the mountain's fire which were taken to be souls. In the 16th century Caspar Peucer wrote that the Gates of Hell could be found in "the bottomless abyss of Hekla Fell". The belief that Hekla was the gate to Hell persisted until the 1800s. There is still a legend that witches gather on Hekla for Easter.>>

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