APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

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Never mind.

by neufer » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:38 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20986464 wrote:

[c]Pic du Midi: (99942) APOPHIS at 15 millon km
Images obtenues le 7 janvier 2013 de 2h00 à 3h00 UTC,
poses de 30 sec, champ de 8 arc min vitesse 3 arcsec/min
© François COLAS - IMCCE - CNRS - Observatoire de Paris
[/c]
Apophis asteroid: Large space rock 'will not hit in 2036'
BBC news, 11 January 2013

<<A 300m-wide asteroid will not hit the Earth in 2036, US astronomers say. It was thought there was a one-in-200,000 chance that it could strike on 13 April 2036, but revised calculations have now ruled this out.

Instead, Nasa scientists said it would not get closer than 31,000km as it flies past on this date. They were able to study the rocky mass as it made a relatively close approach above our planet, allowing them to better assess its future threat. "Radar data we have collected over the past couple of weeks have completely excluded any chance of impact in 2036. Furthermore, we can now precisely predict its trajectory decades into the future," Marina Brozovic of the Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory told the BBC Stargazing Live programme.

The Apophis asteroid is named after the Egyptian demon of destruction and darkness. It caused alarm after it was discovered in 2004, when scientists thought it could have a one-in-45 chance of smashing into the Earth in 2029. Improved calculations later lifted this threat, but until this week, the very tiny but real chance of a hit in 2036 remained.

If an asteroid of this size did smash into Earth, it would strike with the energy of about 100 of our largest nuclear bombs. But for now, this has been ruled out - at least for Apophis.

Scientists are becoming increasingly interested in potentially hazardous asteroids. So far, they have catalogued more than 9,000 of them, and spot on average another 800 new ones each year. One recent discovery is 2012 DA14. On 15 February, this rock, which measures about 45m in diameter, will pass about 36,000km from the Earth. This is closer to the Earth than some satellites, but again scientists say there is no chance of a collision. 2012 DA14 should be visible with binoculars or small telescopes.>>
[c]. http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2013/01/ ... h-in-2036/[/c].

NASA Rules Out Earth Impact in 2036 for Asteroid Apophis
NASA JPL-Caltech | 2013 Jan 10

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:08 pm

neufer wrote:I like the idea of a set of six octahedronally spaced stationary surface ion thrusters gimballed so that at least three always point towards (or away from) the direction of asteroidal motion. (At least three would always point towards the sun for solar power and they would be interconnected to share power.) Ion thrusters which temporarily can't point towards (or away from) the direction of asteroid motion would be turned off.
That's an elegant solution... although still quite an engineering challenge, especially for something that is expected to operate for a decade or longer without service. Moving parts in a vacuum have always presented reliability problems.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by neufer » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:57 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Also, keep in mind that asteroids are rotating, so in order to provide a force vector in a controlled direction relative to the Sun, you would need to stop its rotation, which is beyond our current technology. Or, you'd have to have your thruster mounted on some sort of track to counter-rotate it, which is a complex engineering problem that is probably also beyond what we're currently capable of doing in space (all the worse if the asteroid is tumbling- rotating about two axes- as many are).
I like the idea of a set of six octahedronally spaced stationary surface ion thrusters gimballed so that at least three always point towards (or away from) the direction of asteroidal motion. (At least three would always point towards the sun for solar power and they would be interconnected to share power.) Ion thrusters which temporarily can't point towards (or away from) the direction of asteroid motion would be turned off.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by neufer » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:58 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
starmanron wrote:
OK ... I'm not a space physicist, but wouldn't it be quicker to just push the asteroid? Sure, one would need to ramp up thrust and have an adequate structure, but ... ???
Most asteroids are loosely clumped balls of rubble.
Where do you push without just breaking it apart
slightly and redistributing material?

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:36 pm

starmanron wrote:OK ... I'm not a space physicist, but wouldn't it be quicker to just push the asteroid? Sure, one would need to ramp up thrust and have an adequate structure, but ... ???
Most asteroids are loosely clumped balls of rubble. Where do you push without just breaking it apart slightly and redistributing material? The advantage of using gravity (which happens to be an attractive force, not a repulsive one) is that you apply force to all parts of the body (although tidal effects mean the force isn't quite the same everywhere), and thus move the whole structure. Also, keep in mind that asteroids are rotating, so in order to provide a force vector in a controlled direction relative to the Sun, you would need to stop its rotation, which is beyond our current technology. Or, you'd have to have your thruster mounted on some sort of track to counter-rotate it, which is a complex engineering problem that is probably also beyond what we're currently capable of doing in space (all the worse if the asteroid is tumbling- rotating about two axes- as many are).

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by starmanron » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:19 pm

OK ... I'm not a space physicist, but wouldn't it be quicker to just push the asteroid? Sure, one would need to ramp up thrust and have an adequate structure, but ... ???

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by neufer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:59 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_tractor wrote:
<<Let us suppose that a NEO of size around 100 m, and mass of one million metric tons, threatened to impact Earth. Suppose also that a velocity correction of 1 cm/s would be adequate to place it in a safe and stable orbit, missing Earth that the correction needed to be applied within a period of 10 years.

With these parameters, the required impulse would be: V × M = 0.01 [m/s]×109 [kg] = 107 [N-s], so that the average tractor force on the asteroid for 10 years, = 3.156×108 s, would need to be about 0.032 newtons. An ion-electric spacecraft with a specific impulse of 10,000 N-s per kg, corresponding to an ion beam velocity of 10 km/s (about twenty times that obtained with the best chemical rockets), would require 1,000 kg of reaction mass (Xenon is currently favored) to provide the impulse. The kinetic power of the ion beam would then be approximately 317 W; the input electric power to the power converter and ion drive would of course be substantially higher. The spacecraft would need to have enough mass and remain sufficiently close to the asteroid that the component of the average gravitational force on the asteroid in the desired direction would equal or exceed the required 0.032 N. Assuming the spacecraft is hovering over the asteroid at a distance of 200 m to its centre of mass, that would require it to have a mass of about 20 metric tonnes, because due to the gravitational force we have:

Image
Note that a ballast mass of just 2 metric tonnes could be dangled on a tether just 13 meters above the asteroid's surface.

The spacecraft itself could then be a full kilometer away with its ion jets
pointing almost directly backwards (and fuel mass loss would be irrelevant).

(d)IBS on a small asteroid PUSHER

by neufer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:20 pm

neufer wrote:
  • Note that the mass of the tractor goes with the square of the asteroid's size
    (; e.g., a 1 km asteroid would require a 2,000 ton tractor).
  • But the fuel requirements go as the cube of the asteroid's size
    (; e.g., a 1 km asteroid would require a 1,000 tons of fuel).
Contrarily, for asteroids ~100 meters and smaller the weight of the fuel
becomes negligible (< 10%) such that an Ion Beam Shepherd (IBS) PUSHER makes more sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Beam_Shepherd wrote: An Ion Beam Shepherd (IBS) is a concept in which the orbit and/or attitude of a spacecraft or a generic orbiting body is modified by having a beam of quasi-neutral plasma impinging against its surface to create a force and/or a torque on the target. Ion and plasma thrusters commonly used to propel spacecraft can be employed to produce a collimated plasma/ion beam and point it towards the body. The fact that the beam can be generated on a "shepherd" spacecraft placed in proximity of the target without physical attachment with the latter provides an interesting solution for space applications such as space debris removal, asteroid deflection and space transportation in general. The Technical University of Madrid (UPM) is exploring this concept by developing analytical and numerical control models in collaboration with the Advanced Concepts Team of the European Space Agency. The concept has also been proposed independently by JAXA and CNES.

The force and torque transmitted to the target originate from the momentum carried out by the plasma ions (typically xenon) which are accelerated to a few tens of kilometer per second by an ion or plasma thruster. The ions that reach the target surface lose their energy following nuclear collision in the substrate of the target material. In order to keep a constant distance between the target and the shepherd spacecraft the latter must carry a secondary propulsion system (e.g. another ion or plasma thruster) compensating for the reaction force created by the targeted ion beam.

The concept has been suggested as a possible solution for active space debris removal, as well as for accurate deflection of earth threatening asteroids. Further in the future the concept could play an important role in areas such as space mobility, transportation, assembly of large orbital infrastructures and small asteroid capturing in Earth orbit. >>

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Goddard_69_Alum » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:37 am

A quick calculation shows that the maximum acceleration that can be provided by a 20 (metric) ton spaceship at a distance of 100 m (the asteroid radius) is 1.335E-10 m/s^2. If the distance to be nudged is one earth radius, the time required is nearly ten years. (This assumes moving it perpendicular to its' orbit. Speeding it up or slowing it down might be a better option, depending on the orbit.) If it makes a close pass to earth much earlier and can be nudged a smaller amount, fine and good. If not, this is not very workable. For one thing, it takes a whole lot of energy (and reaction mass) to get the craft where it would need to be. Even with an earlier pass, it would still take a lot of energy and reaction mass to match the orbit of the asteroid.

Trying to break up the asteroid with either a nuclear weapon or a direct kinetic energy kill would be a better option. Even hitting it and relying on a total change in velocity of an intact asteroid from hitting a stationary (relative to earth) spacecraft would change the path by one earth radius in about 10 days, assuming a relative speed of 1 km/s and an asteroid density of 5 g/cm^3. If we managed to break it up, so much the better. Only those fragments above a certain critical size will actually reach earth, and the rest will burn up in the atmosphere and results in a lot of dust and not much more. The 2002 Eastern Mediterranean event was estimated to be a meteorite of about 10 m in diameter and exploded in the air. This can be used as a lower limit on the size of a remnant chunk that could impact earth.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Flase » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:57 pm

I still say blow it out of the sky with nukes

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by henrystar » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:10 pm

smitty wrote:Realistically (this is supposed to be about reality, right?), how much advance warning would we need to implement such a scheme? Getting the tractor into the vicinity of the asteroid would not happen instantaneously, even assuming we had a supply of such tractors on the shelf and ready to go. Moreover, it sounds as though the tractors would necessarily be sufficiently massive that we probably would need to launch each of them in smaller segments and assemble them in space. And how much would it cost to have this all "in place" and ready to launch at a moment's notice? How much is our world worth?, you might answer. Sounds like an excellent project for a huge international cooperative effort. If we have to finance the whole thing, we're only going to divert asteroids that would have slammed into our part of the world, right? Ooops, but wait; maybe the Chinese and Russians and Brits and French, etc., would all feel the same way? Hmmmm . . . .
Better yet, maybe we'd get 3 or 4 expeditions from different countries all nudging in different directions......what fun!

changing an asteroid's velocity by 1 cm/s

by neufer » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:43 pm

A ten year gravitational tractor pull which ultimately changes an asteroid's velocity by 1 cm/s is actually (paradoxically) reducing its velocity by 1 cm/s by effectively placing the asteroid in a higher, longer and slower orbit. Hence, rather than being just 1578 km ahead in its trajectory after ten years of tugging (as one might expect) the asteroid actually ends up 4734 km behind in its trajectory; and it gets 947 km further behind for every year thereafter. Given a few decades, it is not difficult to avoid hitting the earth using such a ten year gravitational tractor.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by scr33d » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:10 pm

Comments are cheap. Read the cited paper. It's not very long or technical:

"The collision of an asteroid as small as ~200 m with the Earth could cause widespread damage and loss of life1. One way to deflect a threatening asteroid is to dock a spacecraft to the surface and push on it directly2. The total impulse needed for rendezvous and deflection is too large for chemical rockets, but is achievable by 20 ton class nuclear-electric propelled spacecraft proposed by NASA2. Regardless of the propulsion scheme, a docked asteroid tug needs an attachment mechanism since the surface gravity is too weak to hold it in place. Asteroids are likely to be rough and unconsolidated, making stable attachment difficult. Furthermore, most asteroids rotate, so an engine anchored to the surface would thrust in a constantly changing direction. Stopping the asteroid’s rotation, reorienting its spin axis3, or firing the engine only when it rotates through a certain direction adds complexity and wastes time and propellant.
Our suggested alternative is to have the spacecraft simply hover above the surface. The spacecraft will tow the asteroid with no physical attachment using gravity as a towline."

More in a PDF here: http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0509595v1

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by bystander » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:21 pm

Rusty Schweickart wrote:Sorry APOD... you are out of date.
This is a repeat. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap051110.html

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by neufer » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:11 pm

Rusty Schweickart wrote:
Sorry APOD... you are out of date. Many years ago we (B612 Foundation) worked with NASA when their Prometheus mission was in planning. It was a HUGE ion engine propelled spacecraft... which we realized could be easily modified to have gravity tractor (GT) capability. This led detractors to claim that the GT had to be a HUGE spacecraft. NOT! Any spacecraft using electric propulsion can serve as a GT and e.g. deflecting Apophis from the 2029 keyhole would require a 1 metric ton spacecraft (modest size) only a month or so of towing to avoid the keyhole/impact.
You are talking about a very special situation where, presumably, it is only necessary for the asteroid to avoid a 660 meter keyhole (rather than a 12,742,000 meter planet) on its first pass by earth.

If we were 100% certain that Apophis WAS aimed at the keyhole then Apophis' velocity need only to be changed by ~16 cm/h (vs. ~1 cm/s in the APOD) to avoid that keyhole.

However, the size of the 660 meter keyhole is miniscule compared with the current (2006) ~3,200,000 m dynamical uncertainties!

The APOD tractor is, in fact, far too small to guarantee that 400 m Apophis would avoid the keyhole.

If only we could be more certain of Apophis dynamics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusty_Schweickart wrote:
<<In May 2005 Schweickart told the U.S. Congress that a mission to attach a device such as a radio transponder to asteroid 99942 Apophis (formerly known as 2004 MN4) should be a high priority; it is estimated that this asteroid has a 1 in 6000 probability of striking the earth in the 21st century. The latest data indicates that the chance of Apophis impacting the earth is 1 in 45,000 in 2036.>>
Far cheaper, perhaps, would be to intercept Apophis with an direct impact (or nuclear weapons) at the 660 meter keyhole itself in 2029 if it should come to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_keyhole wrote:
<<The asteroid Apophis was once estimated to have a 2.7% (1 in 37) chance of striking the Earth in 2029. Further observations and revisions of the estimated path of the asteroid have ruled out impact in 2029, but identified a 660 m wide keyhole that the asteroid may pass through on its approach in 2029, thereby causing a deflection that may result in impact in 2036; currently, the estimated probability of impact in 2036 is 1 in 250,000 (0.0004%). Apophis is estimated to be as large as 400 m across, and could cause millions of casualties if it were to hit Earth.

Scientists from the B612 Foundation, a private foundation dedicated to protecting the Earth from asteroid strikes, have proposed that Apophis be nudged out of its present orbit into an orbit that takes it further from the keyhole. NASA scientist David Morrison says, "After 2029, the deflection would have to be vigorous enough to miss not just a tiny keyhole but the much larger target of the Earth itself. And such a deflection is far beyond present technology for an asteroid this large."

Additional observations of the trajectory of Apophis revealed the keyhole would probably be missed. As of October 7, 2009, the probability of an April 13, 2036 impact is considered to be 1 in 250,000. An additional impact date in 2037 was also identified; the impact probability for that encounter was calculated as 1 in 12.3 million.

The gravitational keyhole for Apophis is only 660 metres in diameter. Calculations showed that if Apophis' velocity could be changed by only 0.00016 km/h, then in three years its orbit would be deflected by more than a mile, enough to miss the keyhole. The problem is that the keyhole is so small that it becomes extremely difficult to predict precisely if Apophis will pass through it or not. Orbit projections made in 2006 for Apophis in 2029 have a margin of error of about 3,200 km, which as of early 2010 is well within the estimated distance between Apophis (18,600 miles from Earth) and the location of the keyhole (18,893 miles from Earth). As time passes the error ellipse will be reduced but NASA may have to wait until enough data accumulates to reduce the error ellipse to one mile (1.6 km) before it knows if Apophis will hit the keyhole or not.>>

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by smitty » Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:47 pm

And let's hope that if we ever do need to use this technology somebody double checks to see that the correct conversion between metric and English units has been made. Those awkward "oooops" moments are so embarrassing, not to mention potentially lethal.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Rusty Schweickart » Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:31 pm

Sorry APOD... you are out of date. Many years ago we (B612 Foundation) worked with NASA when their Prometheus mission was in planning. It was a HUGE ion engine propelled spacecraft... which we realized could be easily modified to have gravity tractor (GT) capability. This led detractors to claim that the GT had to be a HUGE spacecraft. NOT! Any spacecraft using electric propulsion can serve as a GT and e.g. deflecting Apophis from the 2029 keyhole would require a 1 metric ton spacecraft (modest size) only a month or so of towing to avoid the keyhole/impact.

I'm including the correct Dan Durda image (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18255391/gravt ... plumes.jpg) of the GT vs. what you've shown. Dan Durda's original huge version, however, continues to hang on. Please use the correct version showing a reasonable spacecraft... not the one you've used. Thanks, B612 Foundation

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Psnarf » Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:28 pm

Simply remove all of the asteroid's Higgs bosons. It would then proceed along a vector that is tangent to the asteroid's orbit at the time its mass changed to zero, then Newton's First Law would take it out of the solar system. :b:

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by briandonohue » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:34 pm

Would the name of the "dramatic artist" who created this be Joel Hodgson? All that's missing is the show's title carved into the asteroid. "Cambot give me rocket number nine!!!"

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by geckzilla » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:32 pm

Oh, snap.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:30 pm

neufer wrote:Land a surplus Japanese nuclear reactor on the surface and set it for meltdown.
You mean leave it at its default settings?

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by neufer » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:12 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
comets are a different problem... but there's currently no practical technology to deflect those.
Land a surplus Japanese nuclear reactor on the surface and set it for meltdown.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:03 pm

Flase wrote:I suppose you could ascertain the structure of the asteroid before making the decision. Some of them seem to be largely solid iron metal and you could attach a mining operation to build a ship if you have ten years...
Iron bodies are extremely rare- the odds of one hitting us are very small. Really big asteroids aren't going to hit us either- we already know where the bodies larger than a few hundred meters are, and that they pose no risk (comets are a different problem... but there's currently no practical technology to deflect those). That leaves mainly asteroids in the ~100-500 m diameter range to worry about, and those are the ones that appear to be rubble piles as opposed to monolithic structures.

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by neufer » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:51 pm

Flase wrote:
rstevenson wrote:
Flase wrote:
If you use the continuous acceleration of a thruster, could you not attach a more heavy-duty rocket to the rock's surface ... ?
What we've learned recently is that many, perhaps all, asteroids are just bunches of rocks and gravel and maybe ice. If you attach anything to pull them, they would come apart. If you go around back and try to push them, they would come apart. I think even pushing them with light pressure would cause them to come apart. Gravity is the only thing that will pull all of the asteroid evenly in one direction. (I suppose you could "bag" them, but we're talking a really, really big bag, and a pretty strong one too!)

The real problem will be getting the large, heavy gravity tug into position in time to do any good. This will only work if we have many years of advance warning.
I suppose you could ascertain the structure of the asteroid before making the decision. Some of them seem to be largely solid iron metal and you could attach a mining operation to build a ship if you have ten years...
Land on the asteroid first with a ~5 ton spacecraft and robotically collect & bag ~15 tons of "ballast" material.

An extra ion rocket or two would be sufficient to take off.

When the mission is complete use the extra ion power to return the ~15 tons of "ballast" material back to earth for souvenirs(; the asteroid was basically headed in that direction in the first place.)

Re: APOD: Gravitational Tractor (2012 Jul 07)

by Flase » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:48 pm

rstevenson wrote:
Flase wrote:If you use the continuous acceleration of a thruster, could you not attach a more heavy-duty rocket to the rock's surface ... ?
What we've learned recently is that many, perhaps all, asteroids are just bunches of rocks and gravel and maybe ice. If you attach anything to pull them, they would come apart. If you go around back and try to push them, they would come apart. I think even pushing them with light pressure would cause them to come apart...
I suppose you could ascertain the structure of the asteroid before making the decision. Some of them seem to be largely solid iron metal and you could attach a mining operation to build a ship if you have ten years...

Or maybe you could use a large electromagnet instead of gravity to attract it. You can adjust the strength of the magnet on the fly..

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