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Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by Buzz » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:15 pm

Due to the nature of the pattern here, it almost certainly had to come from above or below. If it came from the side or from nearly any angle, then the inconsitent levels in the topography would have shielded one side or the other of the hills that are effected here. Also, it looks regular in depth and age, leading one to belive that it was an "event"... Is it possible that it was "splashed" by cast off material from the sun?

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by just guessin » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:05 pm

To my untrained eye, it looks like after impact the floor of the crater was molten with "foamy" lava. Gas (or light elements) blew off (or sublimated) leaving frozen bubble bottoms.

Is Mercury made of stainless steel?

by neufer » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:04 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Star*Hopper wrote:
Hypothesis: Mercury was a former comet. These hollows are where water/ice boiled off after being caught in Sol's gravity.
Comets are not differentiated bodies; they don't contain iron in significant amounts; they are only a few tens of kilometers in diameter. Mercury is a 5000 km diameter, largely iron body. It was only a comet if we redefine "comet".
Guest wrote:
Looks like the pitting in metal and other normally non-flammable materials that occurs when exposed to concentrated high heat sources...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitting_corrosion wrote:
<<Pitting corrosion, or pitting, is a form of extremely localized corrosion that leads to the creation of small holes in the metal. The driving power for pitting corrosion is the depassivation of a small area, which becomes anodic while an unknown but potentially vast area becomes cathodic, leading to very localized galvanic corrosion. The corrosion penetrates the mass of the metal, with limited diffusion of ions. The mechanism of pitting corrosion is probably the same as crevice corrosion.
This kind of corrosion is extremely insidious, as it causes little loss of material with small effect on its surface, while it damages the deep structures of the metal. The pits on the surface are often obscured by corrosion products. Pitting can be initiated by a small surface defect, being a scratch or a local change in composition, or a damage to protective coating. Polished surfaces display higher resistance to pitting.

Alloys most susceptible to pitting corrosion are usually the ones where corrosion resistance is caused by a passivation layer: stainless steels, nickel alloys, aluminum alloys. Metals that are susceptible to uniform corrosion in turn do not tend to suffer from pitting. Thus, a regular carbon steel will corrode uniformly in sea water, while stainless steel will pit.

The presence of chlorides, e.g. in sea water, significantly aggravates the conditions for formation and growth of the pits through an autocatalytic process. The pits become loaded with positive metal ions through anodic dissociation. The Cl− ions become concentrated in the pits for charge neutrality and encourage the reaction of positive metal ions with water to form a hydroxide corrosion product and H+ ions. Now, the pits are weakly acidic, which accelerates the process.

Besides chlorides, other anions implicated in pitting include thiosulfates (S2O32−), fluorides and iodides. Stagnant water conditions favour pitting. Thiosulfates are particularly aggressive species and are formed by partial oxidation of pyrite, or partial reduction of sulfate. Thiosulfates are a concern for corrosion in many industries: sulfide ores processing, oil wells and pipelines transporting soured oils, Kraft paper production plants, photographic industry, methionine and lysine factories.

A single pit in a critical point can cause a great deal of damage. One example is the explosion in Guadalajara, Mexico on April 22, 1992, when gasoline fumes accumulated in sewers destroyed kilometers of streets. The vapors originated from a leak of gasoline through a single hole formed by corrosion between a steel gasoline pipe and a zinc-plated water pipe.>>

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by Guest » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:29 pm

Looks like the pitting in metal and other normally non-flammable materials that occurs when exposed to concentrated high heat sources...

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by Chris Peterson » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:39 pm

Star*Hopper wrote:Hypothesis: Mercury was a former comet. These hollows are where water/ice boiled off after being caught in Sol's gravity.
~NwCPttstd*hhhh*
Comets are not differentiated bodies; they don't contain iron in significant amounts; they are only a few tens of kilometers in diameter. Mercury is a 5000 km diameter, largely iron body. It was only a comet if we redefine "comet".

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by neufer » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:23 pm

cobalthorium-g wrote:
A very similar feature in fact exists on the Moon. It is the "Ina Caldera", a weird 3-km-long feature where the lunar regolith apparently has gone missing and that looks remarkably like these features on Mercury. One of the theories for its formation is outgassing. The March 2012 issue of Sky and Telescope magazine (pg. 10) features a detailed LRO image of it, though it has been know of for decades. I was unable to find a decent image of it on the web.
http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2012/01/30/ina-caldera-one-of-the-moons-coolest-hottest-mysteries/ wrote:
[img3="Ina Caldera sits atop a low, broad volcanic dome or shield volcano, where lavas once oozed from the moon's crust. The darker patches in the photo are blobs of older lunar crust. They're "domed" or higher than the rougher surface below."]http://astrobob.areavoices.com/files/20 ... 5x1024.jpg[/img3]
Ina Caldera – one of the moon’s coolest, hottest mysteries
Posted on January 30, 2012 by astrobob

<<In the March 2012 issue of Sky and Telescope magazine there’s a fascinating short article about a possible lunar volcanic landform called Ina Caldera. This 2-mile long D-shaped patch looks like nothing I’ve ever seen on the moon. Blobs of older, crater-pitted lunar crust rise some 250 feet above the younger, rubbly surface like melted cheese on pizza. Brighter areas on the moon generally indicate younger surface features. Solar and cosmic radiation darkens airless worlds like the moon and asteroids over the long haul of time. The rough area between the “islands” of older crust doesn’t have as many craters either – another sign of its relative youth. Ina was first noticed only as recently as 1971 when photographed by the astronauts aboard Apollo 15. Recent photos taken by the low-flying Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) show a level of detail that reveal how unique this curious feature really is. So what’s going on in Ina?

Theories abound. In a real volcano, calderas are caused by the collapse of material at the volcano’s top after magma from below has drained away following an eruption. Perhaps the top of the low volcanic dome on which Ina sits collapsed unevenly and relatively recently to form the patchwork we see today. Another possibility is that magma from below heated trapped gases like carbon dioxide and water to such high pressures they violently blasted right through the crust, sending rock and debris flying for miles in the moon’s low gravity field.

Other researchers with the LRO mission agree that Ina’s two terrains are a contrast of young and old but don’t think the old bumpy areas are as ancient as assumed. Additional high resolution photos from the orbiter show a good number of craters there, many with soft rims. I encourage you to explore Ina yourself by going to the LRO’s ACT-REACT Quick Map and entering its latitude of 18.65 and longitude of 5.31. As you zoom in, you’ll feel like you’re coming in for a landing.

Whatever happened created an enigmatic moonscape that scientists are still trying to understand. In so many ways, the moon is an undiscovered world. With just six short visits during the Apollo era and 150 lunar meteorites collected on Earth, we’ve barely scraped the lunar regolith.>>

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by Guest » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:52 pm

Here is a link to the Ina Caldera mentioned in the post above.

http://astrobob.areavoices.com/2012/01/ ... mysteries/

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by cobalthorium-g » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:40 pm

A very similar feature in fact exists on the Moon. It is the "Ina Caldera", a weird 3-km-long feature where the lunar regolith apparently has gone missing and that looks remarkably like these features on Mercury. One of the theories for its formation is outgassing. The March 2012 issue of Sky and Telescope magazine (pg. 10) features a detailed LRO image of it, though it has been know of for decades. I was unable to find a decent image of it on the web.

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by bentsn » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:25 pm

The hollows look a lot like corrosion pits in metals or other materials.

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by workgazer » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:44 am

they look like splashes of molten metal, how deep are they anyone know?

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by Star*Hopper » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:24 am

Hypothesis: Mercury was a former comet. These hollows are where water/ice boiled off after being caught in Sol's gravity.
~NwCPttstd*hhhh*

Re: APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar

by montylc2001 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:37 am

As with the other locations of the "hollows" there are hollows that do not have the blue tint or indication of spraying material around them. Are these older hollows and the brighter ones are recent? What has the spectroscopic analysis been of these features?

APOD: Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet... (2012 Mar 27)

by APOD Robot » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:06 am

Image Unusual Hollows Discovered on Planet Mercury

Explanation: What are those unusual features on planet Mercury? The slightly bluish tinge of features dubbed hollows has been exaggerated on the above image by the robotic MESSENGER spacecraft currently orbiting Mercury. The rounded depressions appear different than impact craters and nothing like them has been noted on Earth's Moon or anywhere else in the Solar System. The above image is a section of the floor of Raditladi impact basin about 40 kilometers wide that includes the mountains of the central peak. One progenitor hypothesis is that the hollows formed from the sublimation of material exposed and heated during the violent impact that created the Raditladi basin. NASA's MESSENEGER is the first space spacecraft ever to orbit Mercury, and is currently scheduled to explore the Solar System's innermost planet into 2013.

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